Runner Beans...

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  1. Markymark

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    Here is a picture of my runner beans, taken Wednesday 11th April. On the packet it says not to plant them out until the end of May/early June...
    I am planting them into a bean/sweet pea planter, just like the one in my other photograph, where I shall be growing one plant per cane.
    Can someone tell me whether it is ok to plant them out now, or should I first put them into bigger pots and let them 'come on' a bit more first. I do have some fleece, so could wrap them in that, if they need protecting. Thanks...(once again)
     

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    If 'Jack Frost' comes you will be planting more seeds. It is always a gamble putting them out early but rather than plant them next to 8 foot canes, plant then next to two or three foor canes, that way if there is any threat of frost, covering with a fleece is a lot easier. The eight footers can be popped in later when ALL threat of frost has gone. Cheers, Tony.
     
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      I'd be inclined to put them into larger pots otherwise they will tend to climb a lot more and not give so many beans (I've tried loads of different methods over the years).

      Frost will knock them right back. If you've already got the big canes in the pots then you can wind clear plastic round the outside of the canes if there is a frost due. If it's not too windy you can hold the plastic in place with clothes pegs - it's a quick method. You don't need to run the plastic to the top but keep it a foot or two above the tops of the plants. you can water down the hole in the middle. Remove the plastic if there is hot sun during the day and wind it back at night.
       
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      Thanks for both those suggestions. When you say, put them into bigger pots, do you mean BEFOREW I put them out into their final container? Basically, their final position is ready and so I was just going to try iy, seeing as they have grown. Or should I be putting them into a pot first for a couple of weeks? Thanks
       
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      Put them into their final container now - if you're going to protect them. That way there will be less root disturbance.

      When I said, bigger pots, I really meant something bigger than the final container you've shown us - but if that's all you've got then it will be sufficient.

      Your beans look as though they are getting a bit 'leggy' from lack of light so they will benefit from being outside, under protection. If you have cold, or frosty nights, they will slow down (or stop for a while) but will be OK as long as they are protected from the frost.

      Don't expect them to get going properly for a few weeks yet but they may do so if we have good weather.
       
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      Thanks, once again for that advice. I think, to be honest, I am going to wait now until we are into May and think about starting again! As much as I want to grow these beans on, I don't want to be killing myself trying to get them going, if I could simply wait a while and then grow some more, a lot more easily...say towards the end of May, early June.
      My last question them is about the planter that I have got (the blue sweet pea planter in my photograph). I bought this, in good faith as a bean/sweet pea planter and was told that three plants would grow in this. It is appro18 inches in diameter and has about a foot depth. My garden is really small, you see, and I have hardly any room to grow things. Do you think it will be ok? If not, then I can always go out and buy a huge pot to put them in. I just don't have any open ground available.
      I have actually got some metal 'spiral' canes, 8ft high which I was going to put in and secure them at the top.
       

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      Make sure they're the right way round for growing in the Northern Hemisphere.
       
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      The pot will be OK but don't expect them to be quite as prolific as if they were in the ground. Beans like quite a lot of water so just make sure the soil doesn't dry out too much. It's better to give them lots of water every few days (when they're into their full growth) than just a little water each day. I see you have drainage holes so you can't really overwater.

      Straight canes are all they need as they are quite profficient at climbing. I'm not sure what spiral canes are :scratch: but beans spiral naturally around things and they grow from bottom left to top right in their spiral. I'm never keen on metal for beans to climb as it can get quite hot in strong sunlight, and beans don't like too much heat.

      I'd be inclined to grow two plants per cane. :dbgrtmb:

      Just in case you don't think there could be much difference in the way the bean plant winds, here is an old song about different plants. :snork:

       
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        Ha ha ha...that is brilliant! It made me laugh. Thans so much for all the information...the thing is, each time someone replies, I have another question lol. My bean planter holds about 40 litres of growing medium...so you def think two plants per pole? That is fine by me..I will certainly give it a try. I am also going to put a pic of my bean plants that I have been growing on my windowsill (which I have had undercover, outside for a couple of days. I can't bring myself to get rid of them... id it worth giving them a go do you think??? I am now actually thinking of trying the beans in the ground. I have a fence which gets sun from about 10am in the morning which they could grow against.
         
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          Hi Mark like you i am short of space and grow my beans in containers,I see from your photo you have a nice wooden fence in a sunny spot, I grow in buckets against a fence like that ,with "Wilkos" bean netting stapled to it and I am very happy with the results
           
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            mine are in buckets, 5 per bucket.I'm so lazy I leave the whole assembly there all year, (9' poles, two areas fenced off and 'cross' poles at the top for wind strength)
            I put a new bit of soil in buckets to fend off disease. This pic is Last Year.
            I have beans already pushed into the buckets (3 per) but I will recieve 'raised' beans later in the year,from my wife's dad, which will also be put into the same buckets. M
             

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            I have been told that my beans are probably too early to plant out at the moment, unless I want to start wrapping them in plastic and fleece etc...which I will, if someone things they will grow. They have been outside for a couple of days...but am wondering whether they are too leggy?
             

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            I've never fleeced up , but I see you are further north, I'm on s coast. But Im not an expert , I have seen people here fleece bushes etc, just never done it. M
             
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            Growing against a fence is a good idea as the bean flowers will make a nice background for the flower bed. If you don't want to bother, or find it difficult, to buy netting you can just stick a row of nails in the top of the fence, tie some string to them and when the beans are about 9" high just wind the bottom of the string around the beans to get them started. That is when you need to know that the beans climb in a spiral from bottom left, around the front of the string to top right. Once you have started them off they will grow quicker as they are settled into climbing mode.

            I would plant them 9" from the fence if possible as it would help the beans to dangle down better. As beans love water you can prepare the ground by digging garden compost into it, a foot deep, to help conserve water and give them a bit of feeding. The old traditional way to halp them with water was to dig a trench about a spit (depth of the blade of your spade) deep, put up to 3" of newspaper or hair in the bottom and put the soil back on top. Newspaper or hair are brilliant for holding water.

            In hot dry weather water very heavily twice a week instead of lightly each day. That way the water will penetrate to the bottom of the trench and be held there. The roots will also grow downwards towards the water and anchor the plants better.

            A light watering will only allow the water to the top few inches and it will evaporate quickly. The roots will also stay near the surface.

            Beans almost always grow better in the ground. Having the fence in the sun is not so important so you can pick whichever fence is easiest for you. The beans like moisture and warmth and don't care too much whether they are in the sun.

            Although they are a bit leggy they seem quite sturdy so plant them about 3"-4" deep nd give them a chance. If they don't survive then just plant some more. Give it another couple of weeks or so before putting some more seeds in the pots and they will be ready to go out about the right time. If the first lot are still OK then you have a bonus :dbgrtmb: . you can then either find room for some more against a fence or be generous and give them to someone.
             
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              A little masterclass in bean growing - thanks Shiney :dbgrtmb:
              I will be growing french beans for the first time this year. One question what briefly is the difference between.... French beans / Runner beans / Broad beans :scratch:

              TIA
               
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