Nigel Farage: EU Titanic Has Now Hit The Iceberg

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      Mrs Scrungee, as part of her (first) degree, analysed the Maastricht treaty as a load of treetreetree and got 99% for her paper.

      I would not dare to disagree with her on this issue.
       
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        With the EU falling apart and the US share keeping low, I find it strange that the UK exchange rate rises consistantly against both, yet the FTSE100 falls like a stone.
        It seems that as soon as Wall St. opens the UK shares fall.
        The UKP is as high against the Euro as it has been for some time. It would seem that the phantom speculators are taking their money out again.
         
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          I don't understand all this finance and politics game. I just know two things about the EU.

          1. Both my grandads, and many thousands of others, gave up a significant chunk of their youth, or even their life, to prevent an unelected force in Europe from gaining control over everybody's life. Then a few decades later we all give it away without a struggle.

          2. History consistently shows that great empires don't last. They form, grow into a force to be reckoned with, and then inevitably collapse.
           
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            I dont pretend to understand it fully.
            But I never thought the Euro was a good idea and I still dont.

            I''m just hoping the whole set up explodes sooner rather than later, and lets get all the rough times over in one go.
            If not this could drag on for years, and that would not be good.
             
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              A piece of useless information:-
              The character in the book ‘The Three Musketeers’ was based upon a real person. He was Charles de Batz-Castlemore, Captain Lieutenant of the Musketeers, who was known as D'artagnan (a family name). He was the officer in charge at the siege of Maestricht (25/6/1673) and was killed by a musket ball in his throat.

              No, gcc, I wasn't there at the time! :heehee:
               
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              Yes, and as Rome burned, the band played on:biggrin:
               
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                Did anyone else watch "This world: Michael Portillo's Great Euro Crisis" last night? Still available on BBC iplayer. Worth a view IMHO,
                 
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                I think China will be the next dominating country in world finances. They have such a passion for hard work. Europe has lost the knack.
                 
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                  I think they've lost both of them!!! :heehee:
                   
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                    :nonofinger::lunapic 130165696578242 5:
                     
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                    :goodpost:You have just about summed the whole thing up for me. The whole thing is based on making money out of moving money around, and half the time the money that is being moved around doesn't even exist - all that happens is the interest and charges pile on top, and the amounts getting moved just keep getting bigger.

                    A while back, there was an illustration on the BBC showing what each country owed, and to whom, so on a quiet Sunday at work a few of us drew up a spreadsheet and basically worked out that if every country all called in and paid their debts at the same time, then the remaining debt left over would be around 90bn (owed by about four or five countries) - although not a paltry amount, it is absolute chicken feed in comparison with the figures getting bandied about at the moment.

                    So, why don't they do just that - press the reset button, call in and pay off all their debts, and then spread that 90bn among all the relevant countries so that each country has a very small starting debt that is manageable?
                     
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                      Uuumm, are you including the UK in this FC or the EU countries only. We haven't signed up for the Euro, thus is it our decisionor "theirs?"
                       
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                      I saw it. It was very interesting. I particularly liked that most of the Greek people interviewed indicated that it was not the EU they were angry at, but their own incompetent politicians. And I was also impressed that most of the German's, being the people that the media likes to say the Greeks blame, acknowledged that the ordinary folk of Greece are suffering and they had an empathy for them.

                      China is in a bigger bubble than Britain, Europe and the US were just before our bubble burst. Wages and living costs in China are, I believe, now almost on a par with the UK and the US, and people have come to expect a higher standard of living, which means wages and prices have to continue to rise. China will remain competitive for a few years yet, simply because during their boom they invested in infrastructure and industry, so they have a kind of momentum at the moment which enables them to adapt rapidly to changes in consumer buying trends, but as their prices rise, they will become less able to compete. Already many UK companies are looking elsewhere for their offshore outsourcing. Add to that the fact that at least here in the UK, the government and various other bodies are still doing a lot for companies that have an idea that will take money back out of China to bring it home, and many companies are increasingly teaming up to form a stronger force in Europe and the US, and it all spells one thing for China. Their bubble will burst, just like ours did.
                       
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                        The illustration that was given was for more than just EU countries - essentially it was for all those that are squealing 'times are hard' and included the UK as well as a few others.

                        Of course, I realise that it will never happen - mainly because it simply cannot be that simple (can it???), and more-over if it did, then a whole load of bankers and economists would no longer be able to justify their existence; in short, there is a whole load of people making a hell of a lot of money out of our collective misery, and if it were to be all paid off tomorrow their cash cow would stop producing.
                         
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