Do you believe in Ghosts?

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  1. clueless1

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    With respect, you haven't even considered what people have said. You've just dismissed everyone with a slightly different view to you as 'pathetic'. You talk about hurting people in the same paragraph as completely ridiculing people's views. Nice one.
     
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      I stand by my comments its pathetic!!
       
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      I believe in the scariest story of all: there is nothing out there.
       
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        if I believed in that, I would be a criminal .... rob ... kill for money ... would not give a damn about anything as I would have no conscience
         
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        Thats exactly what religion is for Dim, to control the way you behave.
         
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        you didn't understand .... I never said that I believe in religion as printed in the various bibles .... but i do believe in an afterlife and believe in Karma
         
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        My parents were of good Christian stock and so was my mother's sister*. Even more so. She was a staunch Methodist and read the Bible everyday..

        One of my most vivid memories was me with other children playing in Aunty Mercy's* house on a Boxing Day evening. The grown ups were all round the front room table with all their right hand little fingers on a slender wine glass. Questions were asked and it whizzed about at an even greater speed. It got very intense: until it suddenly spelt out "The children should be in bed". Then it fell over, broke and cut my Aunt's finger very badly. The table was cleared and we all promptly left and went home.
        My older sister and I remember whispered conversation but we were not allowed to listen to it.
         
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        I did not think you did i was just saying Dim thats what religion is for. I know you are not a christian!
         
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        I just do not follow that line of reasoning, dim:frown::dunno: Are you saying that if you didn't believe in "life after death" and possible retribution you would just go out there and do evil things?. I don't believe in life after death, Heaven or Hell but do believe there is nothing after the "Light" goes out. But I was born with the sense of right and wrong, good and evil [but not in the Spiritual sense], a conscience of fairness, a joy in Beauty and Life. That doesn't require a comforting, or restraining, faith to make a person civilised, honest and non violent, 99.9% of us are born with those values. Your assertion is the same inept, narrow concept that extremists in Religion and the like have of unbelievers of their faiths which is a reversal of the teachings of their faith. Taking away a person's belief in Life after Death surely does not turn that person into a criminal and/or murder?
         
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          I was thinking the same thing there was just no hope of me putting it into words like that :cool:
           
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          You underestimate yourself:nonofinger: , Hydro, I assure you. If you can think it, you can express it in words or writing.........just don't "beat" people over the head in the way it's done:heehee::thumbsup:
           
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            No, I don't need a god, ghosts, aliens or anything else to keep me from murdering my fellow man and nor do most other people. I don't have a problem with other people having religious /superstitious beliefs, but it does seem that rather a lot of them think that it's ok to dislike people who don't share their particular brand of mysticism, and then there is the lunatic fringe who think it's ok to kill and maim people who don't believe what they believe. So I'm not certain it's much of a force for good.
             
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              I`m working on it :snork:
               
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                :thumbsup::snork:, Hydro.
                 
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                Well, we're fringing off here with Religion but Faith has been, in the past and present, one of the causes of War, ethnic cleansing, and a tool for gaining power and riches. In the old day the Vatican had a private army that was hired out to those prepared to pay the sum of money, land, or powers required. I don't see anything wrong in having Faith and wouldn't attack any believer for having a faith, although believers have attacked other believers [of a different faith and sometimes their own faith] and all believers have attacked unbelievers!! I, personally, as said before, have no religious beliefs and the cold, factual part of my mind will not let me make that "leap of faith" into the "dark" just because other people say "jump, there's a road there" and show me a map....when my mental Satnav is saying the map is blank. But that doesn't mean to say that, as an unbeliever, I'm not jealous of those who have the courage to believe in something they can't see, touch, taste, hear etc.:snork:
                 
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