"Pool" advice ?

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  1. Mr Grinch

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    Hi all,

    Im thinking of having a wildlife pool, not really a pond, more of a pool.

    Here is my space:

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    The area is 4m long by 2m wide. I dont want to use it all, maybe half of that. Would a square or round design look better ? Can you have the odd fish in a wildlife pool ? How do i go about making it ?

    So many questions as im clueless when comes to these things.

    Any suggestions would be appreciated.

    G
     
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    At present it looks a little 'clinical' for a wildlife pool, but it is a start. How about looking round on fleecycle for an avocado corner bath to pop in there? That would leave enough soil to plant up round the sides.

    Cheers, Tony.
     
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    Mr Grinch, If I may, several things to consider wrong:

    Its too formal for wildlife pool
    I suggest not a good location next to a trampoline (specially a bath)
    Such a narrow path near it easy for anyone passing to drop stuff in.
    Triangular is never good for a pond (dead areas)

    Wildlife ponds are round or kidney shape or any shape with gentle curves
    Mostly in a quiet area (eg in a corner) Wildlife can then live nearby in peace
    Wildlife pond has no pumps, filter or fish.
    Wildlife pond has what ever moves in and calls it home (I have a frog, he lives somewhere nearby the pool, but not in it)

    To be honest I would not put anything to do with water in the "triangle" a lot of effort for no gain. What is in the other direction?
     
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      Hmm watergarden may have a point there about it being so close to the childrens play area & the path G..

      I have one in my garden made using a plaster's bath & it is very successful & been there for a few years now.. Frogs & Newts are my main visitors & it is very busy, but it is tucked away from the paths etc as they like it quiet & undisturbed..

      Here are a couple of old threads you might like to look at..

      http://gardenerscorner.co.uk/forum/threads/wildlife-pond.15004/#post-171324

      http://gardenerscorner.co.uk/forum/threads/new-mini-pond.33273/#post-434114

      http://gardenerscorner.co.uk/forum/threads/advice-re-a-small-wildlife-pond.1909/#post-19989
      http://gardenerscorner.co.uk/forum/threads/cant-have-a-pond-so-ill-have-a-bucket.43725/
       
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      A wildlife pool may not be the best option then, although as this area drains very slowly, we had a frog appear in it within 2 days when we had all that rain !!
      My daughter wants a little pool for wildlife although she would prefer a couple of goldfish.
      Bit stuck now :dunno:
       
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      Awww no go for it... I would.... :biggrin: If it is for your daughter & she is that interested then I would make it into a little wildlife area for her & see what happens.. I never like to dissapoint kids or dampen their innocent enthusiasm.. :biggrin: if it is a damp area then I would make her a little pool.. I did mine with my grandchildren & we used a plasterer's bath.. I half sunk it in the ground & built a little dry stone wall up all around the top part with stones. plenty of oxygenating weed in the water, stones for wildlife to clamber in & out on & you can then plant marginal plants in pots into the bath stood on bricksThen to make it wildlife friendly you could plant all around with low growing plants that like moist ground like Zantedeschia lilies (Arum lilies) yellow water iris marsh marigolds ferns yellow loosestrife hostas bergenias ferns.. Hmm I could go on... :biggrin: I just love doing things like this with children.. The beauty of it would be a little pond half hidden by the plants that she could call her special area & you would have some nice plants to look at too... I counted 7 frogs lust hanging in the weeds in mine today all looking at me... :WINK1: :biggrin:
      That way the wildlife has plenty of places to hide as well.. What do you reckon is that the sort of thing you had in mind.?
       
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      Sorry to say this, I understand you want a wildlife pond but that triangle is not suitable.
      As I asked before, what's looking the other way?
      A small corner is fine, but not there. As Marley Farley said
      Contrary to popular belief, frogs do not live in ponds, they live around them. Breeding time they will be in them, and if its a place to hide they will go in, but most of the time they live in the plants or under small rocks etc that are around the pond, which is another reason the triangle is not suitable.
      Round here its not unusual to see the local frog going for a walk hop, since it does not stay in the pond all the time.
       
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        Mr G, have you not got any other space for a "wild life" pond. I agree with Watergarden that the particular spot you're thinking of in not really suitable. You need somewhere informal and further away from the house where, if you want, you can see it but not disturb it too much.

        A small wild life pond for your daughter would be quite easy, just dig a hole say, two feet deep, and whatever width and length you want,to stop it freezing solid in the Winter, line it with pond liner, put and inch of garden soil on the bottom and fill it with water. Let the water clear and settle, put some oxygenating plants in to take the nutrients out, read a book on what plants to put around the pond, choose what you want and that's it. The wild life will come to you. I don't have to remind you that children cannot be left alone near a pond, but I just have!!!i:snork:
         
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        :scratch: I know that frogs don't live in ponds watergarden I just said there were 7 hanging in the weeds at the same time today.. Exactly the reason I said to have the stones around the bath & plant it up all around..
        If there are ponds with frogs in, in any of the gardens around Grinch he will soon get one visiting... :SUNsmile: But hey she does like goldfish too..
         
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          Hi watergarden,

          Im not going to be using the whole of the triangle as ive said. I was probably looking to have a little say 3f x 3f pool, obviously a deeper part with a shelf aswell. If you dont think a little wildlife pool is approriate, then an area with a few goldfish would make her day although a wildlife pool would be more educational IMHO.
          You keep saying about it being too exposed but i can say from my experiance, where there is water then you will automatically get more wildlife coming into the garden. Ever since this area has been dug and it contains some water, ive had a frog, a waterboatman, birds galore bathing and drinking and thats in this exposed area. With a bit of planting and some well placed shingle do you not think it would work ? Even if its a square or oblong pool to match the lines ?

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          Marley Farley, I was using your comment to show that frogs Don't live in ponds, nothing else. I realise you know that since it was you who said about the 7 frogs.
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          Mr Grinch, Obviously the bigger the pond the better, but location must also be taken into consideration, that triangle is just not suitable. (its not just the shape but the location, a wildlife pond should be in a secluded area)​
          I agree that a wildlife pond would be better, I never said it wouldn't. In fact a pond with fish is harder to maintain. (and more expensive)​
           
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          I agree with Watergarden, that is not a suitable position for a pond of any sort, Mr G.:nonofinger::snork:
           
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          I say go for it :dunno:
          if you plant up round it, will give it some shade
          frogs and toads cross roads and all sorts "in the wild" so a few paving slabs shouldnt be a problem
           
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          "in the wild" frogs and toads that cross the road get squashed.
          Its the location as well as size / shape that makes it unsuitable. (Not the surrounding material, although that is not ideal)
           
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          surely he wont have cars running up and down the slabs though?
           
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