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    Right, I checked on the seed packet, and they are from Johnsons
     
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    Awesome nice one ill track it down and have a look through it!!
     
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    Will they come back into flower again next year (not that they have stopped this year yet)? And do I need to cut them back once they have stopped fruiting this year?
     
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    Its recomme.ded to overwinter them by cutting back the main stem cutting back the rootball and repotting in a smaller pot left in quite a cool pla e but not where it can freeze water when soils dry revive in spring as and when!!
    PS sorry if you knew this!
     
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    Thanks, I didn't - I'm thinking that I would be as well to start from seed again next year then, as I am fast running out of overwintering space, and these have given me loads since sowing in Feb.
     
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    Always best to start fresh every year however.......some people would debate this as plant can actually end up being alot more productive in its second year. If you look back through this log shiney posted pics of plants that are 3 or 4 years old and they seem massively productive. The reason i start ftesh is so i can experience new chillis breeds and gene types and have a lack of space
     
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    Sorry to butt in, but I bought an 'Apache' plant from a GC, are they hot?
     
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    No probs apaches avg between 20,000shu and 30,000shu and they have a heat difference of only around 1,000shu between red and green but have a slightly nicer flavour when red but theyre good for cooking green or red, slightly bitter green slightly sweet red. To put the heat into perspective a jalapeno is about 5,000shu to 8,500shu Hope it helps :)
    Sorry shu = scoville heat units
     
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      So, they have an 'average' heat would you say? I'm not into something that would blow my taste buds away!
       
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      Sounds like you should put the toilet paper in the fridge Freddy :snork:
       
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        They have a medium heat, if cooking with them, and you find your dish is too spicy cook the dish on for a while and the capsaicin will dissapate. If using them fresh theyre a good medium heat. And from personal experience never needed refrigerated toilet roll whilst cooking with these or eating raw :) if you want to lower the heat level on them you can grow them in a slightly cooler environment and they wont develop as much capsaicin making them less hot. Alternatively you can deseed them and remove seed membrane and alot of the excessive heat will be lost :)
         
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          Okey dokey, thanks for that:blue thumb:
           
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          fc, some chillies do exceptionally well in their 2nd and 3rd years and others aren't really worth keeping. I always try to overwinter plants that have produced fruit that I find tasty or of the right strength. Most of the time they're succesful :dbgrtmb:. I still have a couple of plants that are in their 7th/8th year but I'm only keeping through sentimentality :)

          Re Scoville units:- I've found that the published strength of chillies varies so much, from practical experience, that they are only a bare guideline. Once you get over 20,000shu I've sometimes found little difference between varieties that are supposed to be 50,000 and those of 500,000. I also don't think the the scale is an arithmetic progression although it's supposed to be. Fruit can also vary considerably in strength even from the same plant - but they are generally pretty close in strength.

          Use the scale as a guideline but the best way is to check, carefully, with those from each plant. I would suggest that you remove the seeds and membrane the first time you cook with them and see how they go. Then, if you think you want it hotter, leave some of the seeds and membrane.

          The best way to remove them is to slice the chilli in half lengthwise by putting the point of the knife into the chilli just below the stalk and running it down to the point. That way you have both halves attached to the stalk. Then lay the blade of the knife flat on the inside of the chilli, grip the chilli by the stalk and slide the knife towards the pointed end, which will slice off both the seeds and the membrane. You can then chop the flesh of the chilli whilst still holding the stalk. That saves you getting chilli on your fingers, BUT still wash your hands afterwards!
           
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            Shiney i would have to slightly disagree with you on the heat rating scale. The real problem with it is, its a subjective test. If anyone wants to learn more about how its performed, theres a good wikipedia article on it. I would agree on the other side though sometimes some of em can be deceiving
             
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              James, you are right, of course. They calibrate the scale arithmetically and, with regard to the amount of capsaicin in the chillies that they test, give each variety a rating. That rating is an objective test and correct as far as it goes.

              Unfortunately, as you pointed out earlier, there are many factors that affect the heat of the chillies. External temperature, amount of water and even how far through their life cycle they are makes a difference.

              So when you actually eat a chilli these factors make it very subjective.:dbgrtmb: That's why I always say, taste it carefully.

              I had four chillies with my meal tonight and they all came off the same plant at the same time, but two of them were a lot hotter than the other two. :scratch: Now, that was subjective and empirical :heehee:
               
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