Thinking of a veggie border

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  1. Fat Controller

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    The main restriction that I have is that the house is rented, so removing part of the patio for a raised bed would be a non-starter; equally, the grass area is used by my daughter and our dog, so I would be about as popular as a fart in a spacesuit if I suggested veg there. :gaah:

    The other thing, not shown in that picture above, is the fact that the whirlygig had has now moved onto the grass on the left, just behind the polytunnel/greenhouse area, and there is now a table and chair set sat on the patio. EDIT - oh, and there is a 10ft trampoline at the back of the grass area on the left now too!

    I 'might' get away with suggesting a few more of the reusable growbags against the wall between the patio and the lawn, but again I expect that to be met with a negative response.
     
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    Have you got a front garden?
     
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    Only a concrete area about six foot square - ours is one of only two houses in the street that sits pretty much on the pavement
     
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    Sounds like you need an allotment:)
     
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      Just a thought.

      I like Freddy's idea about the Beans, they will grow up into the light and being climbers they would have evolved to grow in shade & then reproduce when they've climbed up something else.
       
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      An allotment would be great, but around here the waiting lists for them are said to be horrific (20+ years!).

      I've had the compass out, and the border is definitely north facing, so I am probably barking up the wrong tree, despite it being generally quite bright out there - the sad bit of it is, this also means that my greenhouse is going to have a cool/shady end - however, this doesn't seem to have bothered my cucumbers and stuff in the polytunnel this year.

      Its just a shame I can't get a day that is sunny start to finish so I can take some photos of where the sun is hitting and where it isn't.

      Looks like I will just have to maximise what I grow in the re-usable grow bags, and maybe even look for deeper ones.
       
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      Or................

      I could make something out of wood?!?!?


      Ooooh, I feel a wee challenge coming on......
       
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      It's a shame that a small part of your back field garden cannot be allocated to grow a few veg. Try asking about allotments and getting on the waiting list. Before I got my first plot I was offered a part share of one, and I even worked one that was not in use for 3 months too which was good practice so it's worth walking around your local sites and becoming "known", so to speak.

      Alternatively, try registering here http://www.landshare.net/ But of course a little bed in your back garden would be so much easier.

      For what it is worth, the following bed sits on the concrete foundations of an old path, you could do something similar on your patio.

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      Steve...:)
       
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        Now that might just be a solution! Thanks :)
         
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        Yeah, I was gonna mention that. It might also be worth asking around if anyone has a garden that they're finding it difficult to manage:blue thumb:
         
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        Right, had a bit of an idea that shouldn't cost the earth, yet should hopefully let me get some produce from the garden whilst not carrying out any major surgery; if this proves to be successful, then I can think about seeking permission from our landlady to build something deeper and more permanent (something that I doubt she would object to, in fairness); again, I apologise for the poor diagrams, but hopefully they will be enough for you all to see where I am thinking of going with this?

        The border I was looking at is looking increasingly like a non starter, so I have decided to make try and make the best of the sunny side, whilst blending it in a bit so that it doesn't look too bad - as follows:​
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        I already have 8 giant, re-usable grow bags (5 of which are not in use yet); although not the deepest things on the planet, the current ones have managed to grow me beetroot and carrots (albeit the smaller varieties), as well as lettuce, radish etc, so I am hopeful that they will be sufficient. To lessen the visual impact, I thought I would surround the bags with 'log roll' edging, and then put trough style hanging baskets on the fence above with flowers in to 'pretty' up the area a bit.​
        In addition to the above, I intend to try some of T&M's potato bags, and these will be sited under the kitchen window, which is almost directly below where this photo was taken from. I already have next years courgette seeds, and they are a patio/pot variety - the intention is that they can sit in front of the outdoor tomatoes. ​
        I am deliberately intending on keeping potatoes and tomatoes apart - thinking blight really, whether it will have any bearing on things or not, I have no idea.​
        As for the shady spot, I might throw some rhubarb at a bit of it, and the rest I will whack some perennial plants in and let them do their thing.​
        I've attached a pdf file with my planned sowings (essentially lettuce, radish, spring onion, onions, leeks and sprouts - I have one bag already given over to strawberries), and the rough dates to sow them. I'd be grateful for some learned eyes looking over them to see if I am being sane/sensible?​
        Over to you guys to tell me where I'm wrong!​
         

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          So: like a raised-bed on top of the terrace?

          Have I got that right? :scratch:
           
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          Sort of - I have 8 giant re-usable grow bags that are approx 1 metre long, half metre wide and abou 6 to 8 inches deep; each bag has straps across the top which naturally divide them into three sections, whilst not restricting root or bulb growth. By siting all the bags together, I can then corral them with the log roll to make them look a little less agricultural.

          The tomatoes and courgettes will be in pots as they are this year, and the potatoes in deep potato bags from T&M
           
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          Yeah, I'd call that a sort-of-raised-bed!

          Can't see any problem with doing that. There are a few possible things to ponder ...

          Things will topple over (can't get their roots right down) if not supported; fence is in close proximity though, so you can tie them, or a growing-frame, to that.

          Its a bit like container gardening - so not overwatering when no/little sun, and watering enough when really hot, are the main issues.

          If the landlady would let you rip up 2-rows of tiles, along the fence, and if you could excavate down to soil (i.e. its not reinforced concrete under the tiles!!) then you could make a raised bed (with your log-roll or similar) on top, and that would give you some really good growing space.

          But a "raised bed" directly on top of the tiles would be a good second-best I reckon.
           
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          How amenable is your landlady FC? If she could come round and see what you wanted to do, she may warm towards the ideas? If it were my property, I can't think that I would object to some minor alterations such as these. In fact, I would like to think that I had a steady and commited tenant. Ask her what she'd like you to grow for her!!
           
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