Only 2 Days of Gas in Reserve

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  1. Phil A

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    • Jack McHammocklashing

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      I know many people disagree, but the sooner we produce Nuclear Electrickery
      the better
      Self sufficent in electrickery
      Rosyth has several Nuclear submarines sitting sinking, each one capable of producing enough electricity for a large town
      I slept on top of one, three feet away for two years, I have normal children(and Grandchildren), I do not glow green, and twenty years on one is still sitting idle in Rosyth
      This would save us paying FRANCE for Nuclear electrickery, and save the gas used in gas powered electrickery stations

      Alex Salmond Scotlands premier, is adamant at wind power, the country side Vista is destroyed,they sit idle most days either no wind (not often) or so much they burn out so are turned off
      Fife sits on the biggest coal reserves in the UK but the mines have been closed and flooded, the coal fired power stations use imported coal from Australia !

      What a world

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        Makes you wonder how our "Great" country managed to get itself into such a mess.
        I'm sure in 30yrs or so we will be considered a third world country, thanks to lack of planning, open trading and generosity to other countries.

        I'm sure if a foreign power wanted to take over the UK, they could walk in tomorrow, and we would just stand by and watch it happen, what else could we do.

        But then most of the country has already been taken over anyway, most companies are now foreign owned, so is a fair chunk of the property.
        Strange how governments refer to it as "foreign investment in the UK".:biggrin:

        If they control our gas/energy, they have us almost where they want us.
         
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          Do you think our Goverment has a plan?
           
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            We have gas central heating controlled by electrickery.

            Either way we're in deep doo doo.:sofa:

            The sooner we start cracking those atoms the better.

            Cheers, Tony.
             
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            • pete

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              Yep, bury their heads in the sand until it all blows over.
               
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                sounds about right- to much to hope they're on the ball
                 
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                Got to agree with Jack, I don't understand why we are not pressing ahead with more nuclear power.

                To be honest, if someone was to turn round tomorrow and say that we could no longer have gas in our homes, but we would have stable, plentiful and reasonably priced electricity, I wouldn't care a jot. Sure, it would be a pain in the bum having to swap a gas hob for an electric one, and a gas boiler for an electric one, but that would be the top and bottom of the inconvenience.

                Indeed, it could even be done so that there was an over-supply of electricity with the surplus going to desalination plants or even hydrogen production plants for the majority of the time (only stopping at times of real stress on the national grid).

                I grew up and lived very close to Chapelcross power station, not a million miles from Sellafield (or Windscale as it was called before the accident), and latterly I lived quite close to Torness Power Station; like Jack, I don't glow in the dark and have a perfectly normal child.

                And whilst I understand that nuclear is so much more dangerous if it all goes horriblly wrong, the only two incidents worthy of mention globally are Chernobyl and Fukushima; Chernobyl was due to human error coupled with such a fear of authority that no-one dared question anyone even when it was known that they were in the wrong; ancient technology and a lack of redundancy in their safety systems didn't help of course, but we only have to look at the cars from Russia in that era to see what they classed as acceptable! Lada, anyone? 4,000 fatalities (56 directly as a result of the immediate incident) out of 600,000 exposed to the radiation from the incident.

                As for Fukushima, sure its less than ideal, but flipping it on its head it took an earthquake of a magnitude WAY above the design capability of the buildings (presumably because an earthquake of that scale had never been imagined, let alone seen) - and even that was not enough to cause disaster - - it took the following massive Tsunami also to finally tip things over. The real death toll is as yet unknown (allowing time to account for related cancers etc) but has been estimated at approximately 1000; And most of the directly related deaths were nothing to do with radiation, but were actually borne out of the fear and panic of radiation, with a considerable number of deaths caused by moving seriously ill people in too much of a hurry - Lancet article - - of course, many thousands more were killed by the tsunami.

                Now, any death is one too many - but, there also needs to be perspective. Piper Alpha alone for example caused 167 deaths, and goodness knows how many more people have been killed on or related to oil & gas installations? And how many miners have died over the years providing the coal for coal fired power stations?

                Nothing is without risk; nothing can be guaranteed never to fail - the key is limiting the risk and ensuring that there are enough redundant systems to catch all but the most extreme of circumstances.
                 
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                  ... so its now one day to go
                  ... and its going to feel like -5 around here tomorrow
                  ... one papers headline was "gas rationing" - how can you ration gas (apart from hyping the price) - it would be dangerous cutting whole areas off

                  ... I would go for nuke power (albeit these plants would be owned by the French and Germans - and I can not see it being "cheap" they would fleece us consumers for every penny we got for their profits) - Why can not the "government" build one or two then we would be talking reasonable cost per unit

                  ... and what about our coal reserves - (I know its the wrong type of coal) - there is plenty of gas, heat and electric buried under our land to last (did I hear once) 200 years. We can use this stuff in cleaner way than years ago

                  ...Keep warm guys
                   
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                  300 years, but we're sitting on it till everyone else has run out. Thats why we are importing fuel at the moment.
                   
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                    ...I suppose it will be sold like we did with north sea oil - cheap to the overseas ... then when we want help and energy from them they will fleece us
                     
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                      I think we ought to go with Nuclear, after all, won't it be too cheap to meter?

                       
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                      Cheap North Sea oil and cheap nuclear energy - I've read that we were supposed to be getting them sometime (so long ago that I've forgotten when), but not see either of them.

                      P.S. Has the gas run out yet?
                       
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                      According to the Sky News app on my phone earlier, the second of three ships containing just over quarter of a million cubic metres of liquefied natural gas had just arrived from Qatar, with the third due on Saturday. Whether that means we have enough gas or not, I have no idea.
                       
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                      Apparently Centrica has done a deal with the US to buy shale gas, I guess that's gas from fracking in in the US, or maybe somewhere else.
                      I think they are thinking of doing it over here, fracking that is, any thoughts on how dangerous it is?
                      I know we get the stupid reports of flames coming out of taps, etc.but just wondering on how its likely to affect the enviroment.

                      It does seem strange that we are going down this road bearing in mind how much coal is still down there.
                       
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