When Will It Change ?.

Yes, it does that sometimes. But not without something happening to make it do that.

I'm going to stop banging my head against a brick wall now.

 

C1, no doubt there are many cases of where thing have gone wrong, but I would suggest that these are down to human error, caused by not following protocols and proper procedures. I could list any number of times that I myself have been to see the doctor/dentist/whatever, and had no problems. The vast majority of times the boffins get it right. Do you fear for your life every time you cross a bridge? Do you fear for your life every time you fly? Boffins sent a man to the moon! The list is endless....

 

Even 1963 was warmer in March at Heathrow...lolol

Year Month Max Min AF Days Rain mm Sun hours
1963 1 0.8 -4.6 28 12.9 38.4
1963 2 2.8 -2.2 24 6.6 72.2
1963 3 10.7 3.0 7 68.2 95.9
1963 4 13.6 5.7 1 52.1 123.2
1963 5 16.0 6.9 0 33.7 195.6
1963 6 20.8 11.3 0 48.3 193.4
1963 7 21.1 11.9 0 28.1 196.2
1963 8 19.8 11.7 0 53.4 138.6
1963 9 18.0 10.1 0 49.0 120.9
1963 10 14.8 8.2 0 34.7 85.4
1963 11 11.8 6.0 1 118.8 59.3
1963 12 5.4 0.0 16 16.1 44.1

Not sure what AF days means?

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/stationdata/heathrowdata.txt

 

In the case of global warming the way I see it is this over a timeline period..

Genuine scientists figure out that there is a warming that has been occurring around the globe for a few decades. The world temperatures show this is clearly happening.

Based on computerized inputs, the scientists formulate a program/model to show what the likely chances of further warming and it's likely impacts

The scientists start questioning what we should do about it, whether action needs taking amongst the scientific community.

Word gets out, perhaps a scientific body has asked for funding for a research project that may influence any remedy to the situation

A government advisor reports back to the head of government/or government climate panel what issues need sorting out.

The government then sets up a plan, which may include taxation.

The general public get frustrated and take it out on the scientists and government, claiming their taxes are pointless and such action isn't required to combat something that they can't see happening.

Certain members spread this all around, some start campaigns about how global warming is a fallacy (eg iceagenow), and this influences some spread to the scientific community.

last of all, complete disagreement about Global Warming, and it's effects.

 

C1, I would suggest that the boffins are hardly ever wrong. We only get to hear when things go wrong, bad news is good news (noteworthy). Who wants to hear when they get it right? Truth is, we take most things for granted. Every time we use our mobile phone, our computer, every time we flick the light switch! Boffins made it possible...

Don't get me wrong, I don't follow blindly, but global warming and it's possible causes have been studied for a long time now, so who are 'we' to be so sceptical?

 

I think when it comes to global warming, the "Greens" have made up their minds already.
So they have to make the results of their work show what they wnt it to. Otherwise they look like fools.

As has been said above, climate change has been happening since the beginning of the Earth's existance.
I think that if any scientist is honest, they will admit that any current changes are due to reasons beyond our understanding.
Could it be due to man's influence on the planet? Yes, it could very well be.
But it could also be due to changes in the solar output, or even reasons that we have no idea of.
We just dont know.

 

Indeed Sirius, and that's why this episode of climate change is invaluable for the learning curve.. as they say, this is the real deal.. some scientists are such for the money, but most scientists are such, because they love learning, and want to find new things out, and love their job.. most climate scientists will be relishing this to be honest.

 

A fair comment. I just cast my mind back several years when 'they' said that we could expect more "extreme" weather conditions, noticed anything? My point is...if you had stomach pains, who would you seek advice from, a doctor, or a bricklayer? 'We' can only offer opinions and be sceptical because that's in our make-up, I'm no different.

 

Medicine is an exact science. The human stomach has been studied in depth.
The human body is relatively constant.

The climate is constantly changing. The 100 odd years that we have been studying climate and weather is a minute snap shot of how the system operates.
So they are basing models on something that is largely based on assumtion?

 

Nobody can know for certain. But I think we should take the chance of global warming seriously. The chart above is the most frightening, in my opinion. We know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and is likely to cause global warming, and we know that the recent CO2 levels are currently far higher than at any time in the past 450,000 years.

I believe the current view is that past peaks in CO2 were as a result of excessive volcanic activity. But the recent rise, which has happened over the last 100 years is far faster than any rise in the past and is not associated with excessive volcanic activity.

 

The correct saying is: IF (the word IF has to be in there)

IF March comes in like a lamb it goes out like a lion. IF March comes in like a lion it goes out like a lamb. And as I noted on my facebook on March 5th or there abouts, said well "March is coming in like a lamb, so we have out like a lion.

Pete is correct, you have to select the proper plants for your soil and climate.
I do not WASTE my money on any plant that cannot handle my weather zone. And I carefully read the discription, the word "hardy" is a good word. And I do prefer selecting plants that can handle a colder climate also. That one winter, where we had 28 inches of snow, and it did not go away, that year my gardens looked wonderful. I am glad for this cold/freeze spell, last year it was not cold enough, we had flea issues everywhere, all the flea preventatives were sold out everywhere. Stores could not keep it in stock fast enough. So fingers cross, the fleas will be dead.

 

Hi Sirius.

I think you missed my point, which was that at some stage we have to have a little faith in what the experts tell us.

 

Freddy,

I am afraid to say, that I am very sceptical
Within recent months it has been shown that certain university study climate change models are not correct. And more recently, doubt has been cast over the Met Office too.

 

Despite the consensus among people being a hot summer will follow a cold spring, actually, statistically, a cold summer is more likely to follow a cold Spring... however not every time is the same