When Will It Change ?.

Jeez - you're a right bundle of joy this weekend!!!!

 

haha.. well statistically for everyone except LongK

 

I cant help thinking the scientists actually want climate change, if you want something you start looking for ways to prove it.
Not disprove it, and that is what I think has been going on all around the scientific world they are looking for evidence that climate change is taking place.
Is much money being spent on proving it isn't?
There should at least be an equal amount.

It is in their interests to report such findings, as it keeps them in a job.
Add to that the governments using the whole issue as a fund raising exercise and you can see why the band wagon rolls on.

Personally I'm still worried about the hole in the ozone layer, if the sun should shine we will all be burnt to a crisp.

 

The NE does not mean NE England C1, it means a N. Easterly direction.
ie, frozen parts of Northern Europe, that is the source of the cold air.

The snow is because an Atlantic depression is pushing into that cold air and moving mostly up the western side of the country, and grinding to a halt.

 

Pete,
Agree with you on this.
As I said above, the Green Lobby has taken a stance. And they would never back down and admit they were wrong if there was evidence to show their approach as not correct. So as long as they keep on ploughing ahead regardless of the quality of the science behind their claims, they feel vindicated.

The other angle I get annoyed with, and also very cynical. It is also in the governements best interests to keep on with the climate change attitude.
Increase tax on fuel, tax on air travel. I have heard of a talk of a "green" levy on electricity and gas.
Local government has used it as an excuse to depsense with weekly bin collections saying that it is more environmentally friendly to be recycling When in fact, it is a lot about them saving money too.
On the housing developement on which I live, the council has started swithing off the street lights from 12pm to 5am, the reason being "to be more environmentally friendly and save CO2 emiissions". Nothing said about saving money and putting public safety at risk.

The 2 biggest CO2 "soaks" are the trees of the tropical rainforests and algae in the sea.
The developing world is destroying these at an alarming rate, yet how much pressure does our governement put on these nations to stop??
Even following the so called Kyoto Treaty, habitat destruction continues relentlessly.

 

I agree Sirius on most of what you say.
The last paragraph puts it into perspective to me.

How can we preach to other countries about saving habitat, when we destroyed ours many years ago.
And its still going on in the name of progress.

 

I agree with those who say that this is subject to politics and vested interests. Climate models look to the future and they will be modified and future projections will change.

However it strikes me that there are two facts that cannot be altered. These are that CO2 levels have risen alarmingly over the past 100 years or so, and that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. What exactly that will lead to is uncertain - but in my view it is a cause for concern.

I would agree with Sirius, that our current course of action isn't neccessarily the right one. I believe the biggest problem that we face is the increase in world population - and that is not being taken seriously. Destruction of the environment is only one of its results.

So I can't take the drive to wind farms and long life light bulbs seriously as long as the Chinese (and others) are building new cold fired power stations every week. But I do take the threat of global warming seriously.

 

True, but if its freezing in the north west because of weather that is coming from the north east, that weather has to go past the north east of England to get to the north west

 

Agree 100%
Especially the last paragraph.

 

meanwhile in a lab, somewhere they're still trying to get atoms to spin at the speed of light... if they can do that then we'll wonder what all this fuss about energy was!

 

Hmm , I must admit , even changing from a South facing garden , now a North facing garden , it is freezing outside ... I just hope and pray we have a well deserved , hot, hot summer

 

So are you saying its not cold in your neck of the woods?
Its freezing down here.

 

Its pretty nippy, just above zero but the gritter has just been past so its going to freeze tonight. Its a lot warmer here than on the other side though. I popped over to Cumbria yesterday and it was pretty bitter. I was filling my new (old) car with petrol at some filling station in the foothills of the penines, and I meant to fill her right up, but I gave up once I knew I had enough to get her home because I was starting to freeze over.

 

You might well get some effect from the North sea in your area C1, its a cold old sea, but in winter it is warmer than the air at times like this.
The wind has a fairly long sea track up there when coming from the east.
Over the other side the winds are coming down off the Pennines, add to that any lying snow and its bound to feel colder.