Out of touch with how much things cost or totally ripped off?

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  1. Marley Farley

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    Yes JD machinery is quality machinery & tbh I think that's an average price.. He presumambly gave it a full service & synthetic oils today are very expensive... Good advice from Kristen there too.. :SUNsmile:
     
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    You can still get cheap oil if all you want is an engine lubricant and coolant, but in a modern engine the oil is required to do a lot more than that. It has to also function as a hydraulic fluid to operate the valves (in olden days the valves were operated purely mechanically), and it is part of the emissions control. The poor old engine oil is expected to capture improperly burnt filth from the engine, lock up the nasty parts, while releasing the flammable parts back into the intake system in order to avoid it simply going into the air.
     
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    The manufacturing tolerances in modern engines are so much finer than they ever were, partly to squeeze more power/torque from them whilst at the same time being more fuel efficient.

    As clueless1 rightly points out, modern oils are expected to lubricate the engine, contain detergents to clean any 'crud', and even be used to propel some of the moving parts.

    5 litres of oil for my car is approx £45, and when bought in smaller quantity its is more expensive (1 litre is £17); filters too have moved on a bit, with finer grade filtration required whilst allowing faster throughput, and being asked to withstand longer servicing regimes.

    I reckon that there could well be an easy £50+ of your bill in oil and filters alone, and that is before taking into account all the other consumables or additional costs (disposable gloves, oil disposal etc); and the other thing to remember whenever you have anything serviced by a main agent/main dealer is the fact that they are trained to carry out servicing that is so thorough that it leaves the vehicle/machine essentially in 'as new' condition - some things will be replaced simply because the manufacturers service schedule states that it should be, with no consideration given to wear or age.

    They do this to avoid the risk of having to pay out for a claim should one break (even if it is one in every thousand)
     
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      Just on a point of interest (for me):

      I understand the issue with modern car engines and oils, but does a [tractor] mower engine have fancy oil? Or are they still on SAE 40 and the like?
       
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      Good question. I guess it depends if such engines have hydraulic 'tappets' and emissions control nowadays.

      I used to be into motorcross (mostly watching, but I did dabble a bit when I was younger). When I was a kid the bikes were almost always 2 stroke. There were 3 main classes, grouped by engine size (125cc, 250cc and 500cc). I lost interest for a few years and then when I tried to get back into it, I found that all the bikes are 4 stroke now, and it was explained that it was all because of emissions laws. These are bikes tuned for racing off road, yet they have to comply with new emissions laws. Now where am I going with this I hear you say. Well, lots of changes happened to these bikes because of emissions laws, and they are not for road use, so I wonder if similar rules apply to agricultural machinery. If they do, then I'd guess that new mowers etc need proper oil too:)
       
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      Good point. Lots of old mowers around though ... like mine for example!

      P.S. Lots of agricultural machinery seems to be exempt from rules required for everything else. Why do long trailers towed by tractors not need running lights? Red Diesel is fine, on the roads "because they don't go far" ... nor do a lot of "one careful elderly lady owner"s
       
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      There are lots of exceptions for agic vehicals, but the wrost thing is the police don't know the rules as well

      some farmer do go miles and miles now they rent land where they can get it even if it's 30 miles away
       
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        Well son in law has a 2yr one & he uses 10W-30 in his & in the old one he had he just used SAE30 if that is any help..
         
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        That's it then, my next vehicle will be a tractor, which I will use for commuting to work.
        Now where can I get some red diesel.:snork:
         
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          No, Road tax is for Agri only, you will have to register as PLG and use white diesel, tractors will do 5 to 10 miles to the gallon, 20 mph is the legal speed limit, only one passenge if there is a seat,if there 7 and half ton weight limits on roads you will have to go round unless you are delivering in the weight limit (gross vehicle weight is 24,390kg) and, but not sure, a HGV lilence
          You'll be better of will a car :dbgrtmb:
           
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            That would suggest that the newer one is using one of the newer synthetic oils such as Castrol Edge or Fuchs Titan - around £40-£45 for a 4.5l bottle.
             
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            There's a garage around here advertising "MOT and service - £99 inclusive".
            Then in brackets underneath "(ALL makes, ALL models)".

            Cannot be done if using the correct oil in everything, unless maybe if everything fails the MOT fairly badly...................
             
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              A "Dirty oil" MOT failure perhaps? :heehee:
               
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                A lot of them use this as a lost leader to get the customer in the door, and then tell you that your car needs all sorts done to it (whilst sucking air through their teeth); on a fairly regular basis, National Tyres will do and oil and filter service for £40 for any car (stamping the service book too) and the word will go out on the motoring forums to get down there as for cars like mine you cannot buy the oil and filter for that money, let alone have someone do the job for you.

                Of course, they hope that they will 'find' that your tyres, shocks, brakes etc will need attention and will then flog you new ones.
                 
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                By 'eck, you're as cynical as me!!!!
                 
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