Maybe not the compost - but the seed?

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  1. Fat Controller

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    As things have been moving on in the greenhouse, I have noticed something - - whilst the look/feel/quality of compost is hugely variable and many of us have been blaming the compost (at least partly) for poor plant performance, I think the seed source is also a factor (if not the main one!)

    Over the past few years, I seem to have developed a sort of magnetic attraction for seed packets, and accrue them all over the place which means that I have seeds from various suppliers. I was looking at the plants that have done well, versus those that haven't, and noticed something of a trend:

    Marigolds (Johnson's) - Highly successful, nice healthy plants
    Marigolds (T&M) - Pathetic so far
    Super Chilli (Johnson's) - 98% success rate, nice healthy plants
    Lemon Drop Chilli (Real Seed Catalogue) - 95% success rate, mostly healthy plants
    Various Tomatoes (Suttons) - Very successful
    Ailsa Craig Onions (Suttons) - 98% germination, plants doing well.
    Musselburgh Leeks (Johnson's) - 98% germination, OK so far
    Nasturtiums, various (Johnson's) - 99% success rate so far
    Dahlia Showcase (Johnson's) - 98% success rate, nice healthy plants
    Dahlia Bishops Children (T&M) - 60% success rate at best
    Asarina Scandens (T&M) - complete failure
    Lettuce (Real Seed Catalogue) - 100% success rate so far
    Petunias (Johnson's) - 90% success rate, all doing well
    Caribbean Hot Pepper (Johnson's) - 99% success rate, cracking looking plants
    Malva Zebrina (T&M) - 70% germination rate, slow growth
    Nicotiana (Johnson's) - 95% success rate, all doing really well.
    Geranium Maverick (T&M) - 100% success rate, all doing well
    Pansy Parparadja (T&M) - complete failure
    Lavatera Novella Rose (Johnson's) - 100% success rate

    See the trend?

    Now, I have had loads of plants from T&M - mostly plugs, and have been happy with them; however, it would appear that their seeds are pretty rubbish? Could it be that the seeds being sold are the ones that didn't make the cut for their own growing?
     
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    • JWK

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      Yes I see the trend :blue thumb:

      I worked for a seed company many years ago (not T&M :)) and the better stuff was put aside for our commercial growers, the public didn't always get the best.
       
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        And also last year was bad, weather wise so this years seed will not be as good, will be a few years to get better seed again
         
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          I always use Moles Seeds for flowers and veg/herbs - have never had a problem - and, although their packets contain more seeds they are foil packed in a way that they will keep until next year if I don't want to sow them all. (e.g. I have coriander growing from seeds that I bought over 3 years ago - and still have loads left). I also saved half packets of tomatoes last year which I sowed very successfully this year - likewise lobelia - (although one tray from seeds bought this year completely rotted - but probably my fault overwatered) - I keep them in a plastic sweet tin (the ones you get at Christmas time).

          Not saying I never use the other companies - I do so if they have late-summer offers - gardening on a pension :) . Last year I grew Bacopa for my baskets - bought seeds from Nickys - (they come in a coated pod with a few seeds inside - the seeds are smaller than lobelia and petunia) perfect germination. late summer T & M had duo packs on offer which I bought - they arrived all mashed up - I complained - they sent replacements - again mashed up. I pinched a few crumbs and sowed them - they came up - fine, but not before I'd bought more from Nicky's. This year Nicky's failed.

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            But surely if one supplier can manage it, the others can too? The other thing that may help of course, is that Johnsons always seem to have more seeds than the 'Average Contents' figure, so after losses the final result is always pretty near the figure you were expecting?

            I've just sown my lupins, average contents 60 - - 73 seeds sown.
             
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            It depens on were the seed is grown, the company may be in the eastside of the country but the seed comes from the other side

            Take seed corn (wheat) I've pick up a load for seed from wales and took it all the way to Norwich before
             
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              I've not bought T&M seeds for years because of their failure rate. I buy from Suttons but next time will try Moles, I've heard a lot of good reports about them. :)
               
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                I must admit that the Suttons ones have been pretty good - however, the real performers for me are the Johnson's ones and the ones from the Real Seed Catalogue.
                 
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                  I've considered any seeds bought from T&M to be a big gamble.
                  They make fantastic claims about some plants hardiness also.
                   
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                    I'm surprised that they would risk their reputation to be honest - - I must admit, I will be looking not to use them for seeds next year.
                     
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