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  1. Allan Hodgson

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    I live in the lakes and the best place for one would be around the sellafield site. people there have already gotten used to living next to a nuclear site so it makes sense to have one there.
     
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      I don't think they would want to put two nuclear sites so close together. I remember the Queen opening the Magnox reactors at Calder Hall in 1956 :old:
       
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      Well I've not heard of using hemp as fuel but I know some trial fields of the stuff was grown a few years ago, for some reason it was hush hush.
      I'm guessing incase someone tried smoking the stuff:biggrin:

      Ok I know its not quite the same stuff.
      When I tried it I found it needed a lot of heat to grow well.
      Something we rarely get.

      Personally I think Biofuel is a non starter, we could never grow enough of the raw material.
      In fact isn't it partly responsible for even more of the rainforest around the world being destroyed?
       
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        Only because the scheme was poorly thought out. It can work, but needs better planning and organisation.
         
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        What it needs is more land, we would need to cover the entire planet in green stuff in order to grow enough.
        Then where do we grow our food for the ever increasing population?
         
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        Did you see what I put earlier about the study finding hemp to give a higher ethanol yield than other biofuel crops, grow in places where we can't currently grow food crops, and improve the structure of the soil so that we can?
         
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        Yeah, I read that,
        But do we plough up every bit of the country in order to grow that? I cant see the country disappearing under fields of hemp, grazing land needs to be maintained.
        Not much land in my part of the country is unused, one way or another.

        And what about the rest of the world, are they going to be growing it as well?
         
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        It wasn't so much the rainforest being destroyed for biofuels as they were really subject to 'slash and burn'. Burning the forest to provide open ground for cultivation whilst using the ash to help fertilise the soil. It's only a short term solution to agriculture as the farmers had to keep moving.

        The biofuel problem was that, starting in the 80's, Brazil decided that alcohol produced from sugar cane (ethanol) was a very cheap and fairly efficient way of providing fuel for vehicles. The government gave subsidies towards this. Unfortunately, sugar cane grows much better in the lowland areas so the farmers were turning their fields, which were used for vegetables etc, over to this cane. This created a shortage and inflated the price of veg. It, also, meant that the veggies were grown in places much more distant from the main population centre and they had to use much more fuels to transport them from such remote places. On the up side, the sugar cane is used for animal feed as well as for producing ethanol.

        For Brazil it is an economical way to go as they have an extremely sophisticated agri-industrial system. Most other countries don't and, if they do, they can't grow cane because of the wrong climate or not enough land.
         
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          But the growing of sugar cane on land otherwise used for food crops put pressure on the rainforest.
          There is only so much land on this planet.
          Most will be needed for growing food in the future, so how can we grow acres and acres of Hemp, sugar cane, or whatever, just to turn it into fuel.

          I did see a while back that a power station was either proposed or even being built in the UK.
          It was totally green and used biofuel to burn.

          We were going to import the green material, some kind of wood chips, from Canada.:biggrin:
           
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          In some of the fields in my county farmers are growing Elephant Grass and from what we can gather when it has been cut and dried in bales it is sent off to power stations and used as fuel to power them.

          Can someone tell me which countries it is that are destroying the rain forests to grow Palm Oil as i have seen it on the telly at some point but can't remember off the top of me head which countries...Thanks:smile:
           
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