Insurance companies - your thoughts?

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  1. Loofah

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    I hate them as a rule. They charge the earth for a piece of paper and then should you be unfortunate enough to have to claim, or rather try to claim, they try everything to wiggle out of paying!
    That said, I have also had a couple of good (yes really) experiences where there were no questions, just decent service.
    My renewal for the car just came through. This is a multi car jobby and I think to myself, by 'eck pet that's a bit steep, whereas Erica thinks that's an alright price (you an also see who costs more to insure here... not that I'm saying anything about women drivers). So I've done the usual on the comparisons etc and there are savings to be made as always. Then, as always, I call up and say to Jonny on the phone, anything you can do on the price? Certainly Sir, I'll just check a few details with you..... and now I'll just check what loyalty discount I can apply... will you be paying with a debit card?.... How would this revised figure be?
    Almost snapped his arm off down the phone! So to the question - why the *** can't they just save everyone this effort and give that price in the first instance?!?!?
     
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    • JazzSi

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      Because a lot of people pay up the full price without haggling.
       
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      • JWK

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        I think it's because the good old EU policy has stopped Insurance companies from discriminating on the basis of gender, so us men are now getting slightly lower premiums and the ladies are seeing price rises.
         
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        Often give them a bit of agro regarding trying to rip me off when they can do it at a lower price.
        But you are usually talking to some poor s** at a call centre who is just doing as they are told.

        I suppose if we all "walked" when given the first renewal price, and didn't ask for them to come up with something new, they would be a bit more inclined to be honest with us.
         
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        I have knocked the thick end of £300 off my insurance already this year, and I have only checked with one comparison site so far - that makes my insurance a smidgen over £200 for the year, which is pretty good for a large premium motor. I've not had the renewal through yet, but you can bet your bottom dollar that it won't be as cheap as the quotes so far.
         
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        We generally change insurance company/ies every year to get the best deal, including checking out going via cashback sites.

        The same with recovery services (AA/RAC/etc.) and we generally take out our joint membership in our alternate names each year so we can take advantage of new member/cashback discounts. We re-joined tonight @ almost 50% discount which was cheaper than our renewal cost with approx. 30% existing member discount. We would have normally used Clubcard vouchers (worth approx. 2x value for RAC membership), but we want to 'treble them up' to approx. £1,200 to get yet another week's canal boat holiday next year (greenhouse last year, week in August boating holiday year before that).
         
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          I have all my insurances (2 cars, house and contents) come up at the same time each year and do it through a broker that I've been using for over thirty years (gone from a one man business to 80 staff in numerous branches).

          Each year, when I get the renewal quotes, I start to shop around, by phone, and find it cheaper (sometimes a lot cheaper) elsewhere. Then I go back to the broker and tell them. They are then able to go back to the insurance company and always are able to beat the best quote - but I need to tell them what insurance company is underwriting the cheap quote.

          Over the last three years my insurance has got less each year :blue thumb:

          I have made all my insurances to be due at the same time because I think it gives me a little bit extra clout to be able explain that I want a lot of insurances at one time. Don't know whether that's true :noidea:

          One important things with car insurance nowadays is the annual mileage you tell them you do. You mustn't lie but you should make sure it's as low as possible. I dropped the annual mileage on my car from 10,000 to 8,000 (don't do so much rushing around nowadays) and got the insurance reduced by 15%.

          Insurance companies are in business to make a profit and will try and get as much out of you as possible. You need to treat it as a game and make sure you haggle as much as possible. You'll soon find out whether they need your business, or not. There's no harm in asking. :heehee:
           
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          • Loofah

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            Always ask!
            I can't see it as a game I'm afraid, it's just such a pain to go through the motions. I always manage to get the price down but the effort is mind numbing.
            I wonder if buying lots of insurances from one business does get an extra discount? It probably should, surely?
             
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            I prefer to see it as a game than get frustrated every time - as the only other choice is to pay more than you need to.
             
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            I don't have time to hang around on lengthy phone calls, I just follow the advice here
            http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/car-insurance/ and do everything via the web using comparison websites to find the lowest then do a 'Scrungee' and apply via a cashback site.

            In the last month I renewed both our cars:
            Mrs JWK's is now insured through the AA at £127 and mine through Churchill at £148. Applying via Quidco I saved another £76 :dbgrtmb:
             
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            Don't forget that (up to £50 per 12 month period) cashback from TopCashBack (TCB) http://www.topcashback.co.uk/home can be claimed as Tesco Clubcard Points (with a 5% bonus) which can then be exchanged for 'Rewards' (AKA Clubcard Boost) for up to four times their face value, further increasing the saving. This is why we have multiple Clubcard accounts and multiple TCB accounts (where we 'introduced' our multiple identities to one another and got £10 cashback referral bonuses for each of the subsequent accounts.

            Example: Mr A joins TCB and selects a TCB car insurance deal with £50 or less cashback (as you can't convert anything over £50 into points, so £51 cashback and this option is unavailable when selecting method of payout) then introduces his wife Mrs A to TCB and when she gets her TCB cashback on her car insurance he gets a £10 bonus for referring her. They both convert their cashbacks into Clubcard Points (need separate accounts) and use them for either 'Double Up' promotions or converting to Rewards at up to 4x face value for Memberships, Subscriptions, Holidays, Days Out, Restaurants, etc.

            So if that £76 cashback was for 2 policies you could of had say £76 £80 pounds (5% bonus) in double up vouchers to spend instore/online PLUS £159 in Rewards Vouchers for something with a 4x conversation rate. Then there would still be that £10 referral bonus that could have been taken as cash, or maybe as £10.50 in Amazon vouchers (with 5% bonus). NB claim your Clubcard Points quickly before any referral bonuses take you over the £50 limit. £80 in double up + £159 in Rewards/Boost + £10.50 in Amazon vouchers totalling £249.50 would have gone a long way to mitigating the impact of paying £275 for both car insurance policies.




            P.S. £17 in Clubcard vouchers for 1 years RHS membership http://www.tesco.com/clubcard/deals/product.aspx?R=2358& bci=4294964686|Memberships so £16.19 TCB would cover that.

            Or £15 in vouchers would buy a year's digital subs to 'The Telegraph', no newspaper for mulching but a massive saving on buying paper copies, even compared to paper copy subscription rates of over £300 p.a. http://www.tesco.com/clubcard/deals/product.aspx?R=3694& bci=4294964686|Memberships but you still get subscriber benefits like a Robert Dyas discount card for 15% off on Thursdays and help further increase the saving and get you great deals like this http://gardenerscorner.co.uk/forum/threads/good-tree-loppers.38505/#post-489400

            (I always try and make my small income go as far as possible and this is just one of the ways I can afford all sorts of stuff despite being on a pittance of an early retirement pension)
             
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              I was with Admiral
              As I had just retired from employment, I advised them that I would no longer be commuting 18k miles a year the new mileage would be 3k a year leisure
              I looked forward to the renewal in a couple of weeks,
              They put it UP £115 as leisure driving, at busy periods would be dangerous and a bigger insurance risk ?

              I took my insurance with the RAC :-)

              Jack McHammocklashing
               
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              I hope you weren't polite with Admiral :heehee:
               
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              I've previously heard an insurance company use that as an excuse to increase their premium. Apparently they preferred to insure working drivers who had their cars parked in office car parks all day, rather than pensioners who were free to gallivant around all day.
               
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              True
              I thought the reduction of 15k miles per year, a car a year older, and of a years less value would have reduced the premium
              But apparently, if you commute daily, then you are a more experienced driver, unlike a doddery old fool taking a once a week outing

              Mind you RAC were not a lot cheaper, even though I have driven in excess of 2.5 million miles in my company cars, accident free

              I really hate insurance companies with a vengeance

              Jack McHammocklashing
               
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