The neighbour's telly

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  1. clueless1

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    Here's a science question, possibly.

    If our telly is on, I can blank it out without effort, and go to sleep easily on the sofa. The telly could be blasting. It doesn't matter. It has exactly zero effect on me.

    If I hear the neighbour's telly through the wall, because she is a deaf old lady and has the telly blasting, in our house it is quiet. So quiet you can't make out the words being spoken, and you can only hear a murmur on the loud bits. It doesn't bother wife but it drives me crazy.

    Anyone know why this might be so?
     
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    id feel like the neighbour was being disrespectful by having the TV so loud. even though she's deaf I'm sure there will be some device so she doesn't have to have the TV blasting.
     
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      Yes :blue thumb: but I don't know about 'scientific reasons' :heehee:. It's what I have worked out over half a century of having problems with sounds as my hearing is very sensitive.

      The sound from your TV is an 'expected' sound so your subconscious is able to blot it out whereas the neighbour's noise is 'foreign' and disturbs your subconscious. This translates from your subconscious to your conscious mind and affects you.

      Even as a child I had this problem and my parents told me that they found it quite difficult (What! me difficult? :heehee:). When I was asleep they could walk up and down the stairs without having to bother about waking me but if they even brushed my bedroom door with their clothes I would wake up. Unfortunately for me this also meant that 'Father Christmas' couldn't creep into my room with his presents. So, although Santa always put my sister's presents at the foot of the bed, he left my presents under the tree! :scratch:

      There have been a number of very interesting situations because of my hearing :hate-shocked:
       
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        Tone deafness is a good'un, what you can hear and what you can't hear
         
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        It's amazing the things that we can block out - when I was younger, I would quite often get home from work and stick CD on really loud (and I mean LOUD!) and promptly fall asleep whilst it was on.

        Better than that, I always remember my uncle blocking out the noise of the kids whilst watching the TV - I have seen my two cousins (brother & sister) knocking seven bells out of each other on the living room floor right between my uncle and the TV, and he would sit there completely engrossed in the TV and be seemingly oblivious to the miniature war taking place right in front of him; he soon saw what was going on when my auntie came into the room, bellowing at my cousins and giving my uncle a wallop upside the back of his head.
         
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          I think the answer is control!!! You can turn off your telly anytime you want but you can't turn off your neighbours!!

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            I should also add though, the volume of the old lady's telly by the time its leaked through our wall is considerably less than the following things that don't bother me:

            * The banging and clattering that occasionally happens at the steel works just down the road. A noise which I think is more scrap being loaded into the furnace.
            * The 'cracker' going off at the chemical works, which sounds like a low flying jet aircraft when it goes, and makes the whole sky light up
            * Traffic going past outside (both pedestrian and vehicular)

            All of the above is considerably louder than the telly leakage, they're all outside of my control, and yet none of them bother me.

            It can't even be a disrespect thing, because surely it is equally disrespectful to modify your car exhaust to make it more noisy and then used that car at night, or have a loud drunken conversation while walking down the street late at night, but these things don't bother me (as long as its not actual shouting).

            I think I've heard the telly once when in a bad mood about something unrelated, latched onto it, and now its programmed itself in so that totally against my will, I actually listen for it and find myself preparing to be annoyed by it.
             
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            I wonder if its something to do with the frequency range of the sound? All the other sounds that you describe may well have their sound spread across more of the frequency range as they are 'real noises'; the TV sound is coming from a speaker, therefore will be coloured/limited by the frequency response of the speaker, and to be honest the speaker in the TV is likely to be el cheapo which will be limiting the frequency range considerably. The TV noise, already lacking, is then filtered/damped as it travels through to your home resulting in the final noise being pretty poor, missing most of it's lower and upper frequencies, and it is this that is annoying you.

            The same principle applies to the noise leakage from personal stereos on buses/trains etc. You might well love the song that they are playing, but because you are only hearing a limited part of the frequency range, it is nothing more than annoying.
             
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            To expand on my earlier example - in the Lake District the airforce fly their jets, at high speed, through the valleys and only a short distance above the fields or lakes. For those of you that have heard them, the noise is tremendous but the sheep and cows totally ignore it. Whereas, a noisy car going by will grab their attention. Familiarity allows the brain to ignore the sound.

            I don't think that the frequency range is relevant - apart from the nuisance value that some of it has. :)
             
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            Why does my missus still elbow me in the ribs then when I snore :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
             
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              Maybe she doesn't realise *quite* how deaf she is? :scratch: My understanding is, if it's age related, that it creeps up on you.
              Perhaps, she isn't aware of the newer technologies that exist which would enhance her hearing capacity when watching TV? :scratch: Maybe she doesn't have anyone who is able to offer her that knowledge/advice?

              I doubt very much that she is being intentionally "disrespectful"? :dunno: Certainly not something I would immediately attribute to someone of her generation.
               
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              no I wouldn't of said that the old woman was being purposely disrespectful. And I do see your point about the creeping up on you thing and also not knowing bout the technology. it would still annoy me though.
               
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                When I lived at my parents house it was right under the approach path for airplanes coming into Manchester Airport, visitors often said how can you live with the noise from the planes and the A556 which was just 50 yards away, truth was we'd lived there that long we'd got used to it and never really noticed it :)
                 
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                  Possibly me too ;) But the whole point about living in a community (surely?) is an ability to see things from another's point of view; a dash of tolerance and the ability to put it all into perspective? :dunno:

                  So, while it would irritate me (possibly) at times, I'd be weighing up my occasional irritability vs her permanent frustration - which she much surely encounter on a daily basis when she converses with people (shops, Dr's, meter men, postmen, etc) ... after all, *they* don't even have a volume button she has any control over ;)

                  Thank you for understanding my point, Allan :)
                   
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                  She is a lovely old stick, and I have no doubt at all that she has no intention of upsetting anyone. She knows its too loud. Her daughter told her apparently, and she (the old lady) asked me about it. At the time it didn't bother me, and I said so, but it got louder since. I put a polite note through her door about it. I would have spoke to her face to face but for an old woman, she is surprisingly active its difficult to catch her in, except at night, and I'm not going to frighten an old lady living on her own by banging on the door at night. Since the note, she turned it down, but its crept back up again.

                  The thing is, we occasionally hear her coughing and spluttering (she is an old smoker). That is louder than her telly, which can only mean that the walls simply don't block enough sound. It can't be disrespectfully loud, it must just be that the walls are too thin. Asking her to turn it down further would be like asking her not to watch her own telly in her own house, so I just have to learn to live with it until I can afford to get some sound impeding cladding to go on the bedroom wall.
                   
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