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  1. Madahhlia

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    There's so many different types of sauce, thickened with cream, flour or egg to mention just a few. Also sauces thickened by reducing down. I would say gravy is in a subset of sauces, thickened with flour.

    However;
    Gravy (according to Wales) is based on meat fat, thickened with flour and made liquid with meat or veg stock. You need a lot of it. Additions - gravy browning, salt
    Gravy (according to France) is based on highly reduced but otherwise unthickened meat juice. You don't get much of it. Additions - red/white wine, herbs, garlic

    I know this because of regular disagreements over the roast chicken with the bf, who's father is French.
     
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      If I was in such posh restaurant, I'd be more likely to buy a meal that was served with gravy than one in a shoe.
       
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        Oi!! Ever tried French duck? At least it's got some meat on it's bones!
         
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        Spot on, Madahhlia! Most French cuisine avoids starchy stodge if possible:) Most traditional British food IIRC is nothing but.....
         
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        No, it's because of the breed. Foie gras production is a different ball game. Round here it tends to be concentrated in family farms where the birds are cared for. Not in big, mechanised factories like those found in Eastern europe.
         
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          I adore Duck Rillettes and buy them regularly from our Deli here in Battle. They originate from France,
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          Well it stands to reason that the whole of a bird used for FG production is 'processed'. Magret, confit de canard, pate, gesiers...nothing is wasted. But we digress:oopss:

          Lots of 'jus' round here, Clueless....especially jus d'orange;)
           
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          The usual understanding of the differences between sauce, gravy and jus is fairly simple. :biggrin:

          Jus is a posh name for gravy and both are made from the cooking ingredients being used.

          Jus is reduced and strained to make it smooth and slightly thicker but thickeners are not used.

          Gravy doesn't have to be strained, can have bits of the cooking ingredients in it (especially bits of the meat) and may be thickened with flour or any other of the normal thickeners.

          Sauce is a liquid flavouring that is usually pre-made and may not have anything to do with the cooking ingredients.

          I love my stomach!!!! :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
           
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            Jus, gravy, sauce, whatever just pass the gippo!
             
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              Aaah, remember that word Loofah. We used to say it had some good jipp with it,
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              Decent gravy Loli...like they make oop North...:dbgrtmb:
               
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                I'm not sure where they get their reference but it may go back to the times of the Raj as, in Hindi, Gippo means soup!
                 
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                Ahhhhh...Bisto:biggrin:....only joking......thanks for that...next time i go in a posh restaurant i'll ask for some:dbgrtmb:
                 
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