Daft modern cars

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  1. Jiffy

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    Let me guess - French? Got Citroen or Renault written all over it.
     
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      Citroen Xsara, not the Picasso, the flat one.
       
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      Not surprised in the least. The French should be banned from making cars in my opinion - especially as all modern cars require a considerable amount of electronic control systems to be built in.

      I knew a chap once who had a Renault 25 as a company car - lovely deep, metallic burgundy red, very comfortable, and at three years old it had very low mileage. The owners of the company were retiring, so the business was closing down, and they offered all of their managers the opportunity to buy their company cars at knock-down prices, so he bought this 25.

      A year or so later, he drove home and parked the car in the garage, went into the kitchen and put his car keys onto the table in front of his wife; he then asked her to get her keys out of her handbag and put them on the table alongside them. She thought he was nuts, but eventually complied, and he then led her out to the garage where the car was sitting idling away without any keys in it and the steering locked. Once it had ran out of fuel, it was recovered to the local Renault dealer who diagnosed a failed ECU and quoted a figure of thousands to put it right - a hell of a lot more than the car was worth, so it went to scrap.
       
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        My brother would argue. He went from a Peugeot main dealer to a Bee Em main dealer and was appalled at the quality and reliability of the latter!

        Don't really require them to the degree that they are used, and certainly don't need things like steering racks and headlights that need to be programmed to the car if they're replaced!

        The upshot of all this is my list of cars that I've sent for scrap over the last six months;
        2004 Golf tdi auto
        2005 Beetle auto
        2004 Volvo XC90
        2003 Renault Megane scenic (383000 miles)
        2003 Chrysler Voyager
        2002 Lexus is200

        All because they were beyond economically justifiable repair!
         
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        Blimey that's some mileage! Were all the others high mileage too @longk ?
         
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        I'm on my fourth Renault.......no complaints apart from the fact that not one of the handbrakes held/holds properly on hills.
         
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        now THAT would be fun! :heehee:
         
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          The Golf was just under 100000, Beetle 125000'ish, the Volvo about the same, Lexus 80000 and can't remember as far as the Chrysler went.
           
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            Unusual for a Lexus to fail at such a low mileage? Not surprised to see the Golf TDI in the list though - some of the VAG group diesels around '04-'06 were pretty dire.
             
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            Cambelt failure plus a lack of MOT.

            Tell me about it! Over a few years conversations with a few friends went like this;

            "What's a good car to buy, any recommendations?"

            (me) "You can't go far wrong with a VW diesel."

            Four of them took my advice and two have needed new heads (PD engines with enlarged, oval, injector ports in the heads), two turbos, one gearbox rebuild (diff bearings), numerous window regulators, battery drain, alarm issues, suspension bushes by the crate load, injector harnesses, coolant leaks from the placcy housings and so on!
             
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              Are you still friends with those two Keith?

              :)
               
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              That list was for all four between them!!!

              Thankfully yes..................... If they ask now I just say that I drive either a Pug 306 turbo diesel or a Merc C class diesel. The Pug is the best car we've ever had, and still great fun to drive. The Merc is ok, best of a bad lot for the era (2003) and a great motorway muncher.

              The scrappage scheme has a lot to answer for - if you want a good 306td now they're fetching round abouts a grand for a good 'un around here now.
               
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                Thankfully, they seem to have got most of the quality issues sorted now - the cars from '08 onwards are a much safer bet.

                I think they got caught trying to run before they could walk (the desire to be the biggest car marque in the world was overriding everything else), at a time when technology was also being squeezed more and more for no other reason than the EU bigwigs decided that anything with an engine should run on the tears of sparrows, and emit rose scented oxygen at the back end.
                 
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                Cars from 08 onwards are still 5 year old or less, so (to me at least) they are brand new cars. I'd fully expect them to be ok even if the build quality is poor. Granted, some cars show their problems much earlier than 5 years in (as my Citroen did), but I think in general, time will tell if these newer cars are of better build.
                 
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