Dodgy kitchen plumbing ?

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    Block the pipe at sewer end
    Fill sink with Caustic Soda Crystals, add hot water, and drain it, until it is up to sink plug
    Leave two or three hours, Remove block at sewer end, let it flow out
    You must use rubber gloves,

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      Putty stuff is probably congealed fat. Yuk.
       
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        The putty stuff could be fat or oils, but it could also be residue from soaps and fabric conditioners; in fact, I would say that fabric conditioner is one of the worst things after fat for gunking pipes up.

        Jack's idea with the caustic soda is bang on - that is the sure fire way of cleaning the pipes.
         
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          Might have missed somebody's quote but
          We make a diary note to caustic soda our external drain gully every 6 months otherwise the (vegetable) fat (being vegetarians) from our dishwasher blocks the drain. It seems worse in winter when (using as we do, Economy 7 overnight) as that might cause hot fat to congeal/solidify.

          Poundland had caustic soda last week, otherwise try Wilkos.
           
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            Thanks for suggestions, however, just realised back to square one :mad:. Nothing put down the sink since 'clearing it' and getting an instance fast flow away except water from a few hand washings and then a bowl full of soapy water after which it is now draining slowly again. Bizarre, though I have been here before with this in the past, variable flow without apparent reason . By the way the sink is the only thing (apart from very occasionally used dishwasher) than empties into this pipe all the way to the sewer gully.

            I've never used caustic soda before and see it is quite corrosive and dodgy to handle. I'm wondering, firstly, how you block up the end of the sewer pipe at the gully, any ideas that will hold the water back while not corroding what is used to block the end?
            Was also wondering if something less corrosive like Soda Crystals which I have plenty of in stock would be worth using instead of caustic soda?

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            While gunky pipes could very well be part of your problem, I still think that the laws of physics are against you with the top end, and I would still be inclined to revise the pipes under the sink to give you the best starting point.

            As for blocking your pipe at the sewer end, I reckon your best bet is to pack rags into a black bag, sufficient to be able to wedge into the end of the pipe, and then hold it in place with a few bricks or something.

            Make sure that you use gloves as Jack advises, as caustic soda is nasty stuff. Contrary to popular belief, it is not acidic, but in fact it is an alkali - one of its main uses is a process called saponification, which essentially breaks down fats to make soap (there is a bit more to it than that of course, but you get the idea); that is what makes it so successful at cleaning drains, as it breaks down fats to clear them - however, that is also why it is so dangerous to skin, breaking down the oils/fats within the skin.

            Soda Crystals (sodium carbonate) are all but useless at cleaning drains in my book - handy for softening water, which will make detergents more active, but that is about it really; you really need caustic soda (sodium hydroxide).

            Once you have let it stand in the pipe for a couple of hours, be VERY careful when removing the bung from the pipe (I would use tongs if possible), and then run water down the pipe for a while to wash the remnants away.
             
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              I didn't really read the posts earlier, thought that when caustic soda was being mentioned it was referring to washing soda crystals.

              Didn't know the public could buy Sodium Hydroxide, i've only used it professionally for Buildings Cleaning.

              If it gets mixed with bleach I think it would make mustard gas and/or explode :yikes:
               
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              Easy to get SH on the net Ziggy. I used to make my own soap with it,
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                Just realised i've typed some key words:doh:

                Be aware everyone, the American security forces will be watching this thread now.

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                No worries Ziggy. They may have some helpful advice to offer on how to unblock GG's sink and effect a super replumbing solution...:lunapic 130165696578242 5:
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                  A lot of people make the same mistake, sadly those are often the same people that end up in A&E as the caustic soda is trying to break down their skin; even in a fairly dilute solution, it is pretty nasty stuff - however, it is good at what it does. Its not overly expensive either - just checked on Amazon and its less than £3 for half a kilo.
                   
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                    £2.40 for 500g at Wilkos. If you buy a few bottles like I did a few years ago together with loads of sugar for winemaking (that was going cheap) plus half a dozen bottles of thin bleach for cleaning demijohns you'll get some very funny looks.
                     
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                      Dumb question but why are the pipes still in their original configuration when that needs sorting first?!
                       
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                      Erm ...
                      a) live in the sticks, no instant buying option of spare bits
                      b) knew this is not correct and not ideal but seemingly not the primary cause of obstruction (had isolated the right sink without improvement etc etc etc)
                      c) tons of other stuff on at the mo
                      d) needed to quickly be able to wash dishes etc
                      e) life!

                      Seem to have it sorted.

                      Thanks all for help.
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                        It might be worth keeping some caustic soda in stock, just in case it decides to get stubborn again through the winter - sure as eggs are eggs, drains will play up more in winter than summer.
                         
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