Well done Princess Anne!

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    It breaks my heart now to see ponys tethered up on land that does not belong to the owners of the ponys,waiting for water butts to be filled,foals dying at their feet as no one tends them regular :cry3: would it make matters worse for some cases? i think so! and land owners who cant already remove tethered ponys will be bombarded i reckon:dunno:
     
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    Scrungee, the Chinese will & do eat just about anything that moves, they are a huge population who seem to eat well despite what we here in the west might think.. They seem to waste nothing....
     
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      They lived on rats in Amsterdam during the war Jiffy.. ;)
       
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      There is some merit to what Anne suggested imo. I have owned horses for over 40 years. I can confirm that looking after horses properly is extremely expensive even if you have your own land to keep them on. To have a horse put down by a vet via lethal injection and then disposed of by the knackers costs in excess of £1000 and consequently some owners are not prepared to pay for this service choosing to neglect their equines instead . Perhaps if there was an economic value on the carcass it would reduce the hideous neglect so many horses and ponies are subject to. My only worry is that should the UK come into line with the majority of Europe it might increase the barbaric practice of live export of horses for slaughter.
       
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        And it's illegel to bury a farm animal/horse

        Nowt wrong with a rat for meat, it's nowing where it's been, but there some people in the UK which have eaten rat but don't know it, had a friend who had a bone stuck in his mouth, had it tested and yes it was a rat bone, was it wild or a farmed rat?????
         
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        Maybe I'm a bit thick, but arn't there very strict standards on what meat can enter the human food chain?
        If so, that poor starving worn out horse left in a field to rot would not be accepted?

        I think we would find a lot of unscrupulous people trying to sell off some old nag that they dont want anymore for meat.
        Surely they do that anyway?
        I believe lots of horses go for pet food.

        Can you imagine Annie flogging off all her old knackered showjumpers to make a bit on the side.

        Horse meat as far as I know is not banned in the UK, its more a fact that nobody is really that keen to keep asking the butcher for it.
         
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        Not in Wales & Scotland if the horses are pets according to http://www.defra.gov.uk/ahvla-en/disease-control/abp/fallen-stock-faq/

        But the rules probably apply to English hens (as they are not classified as pets), but I haven't checked as I buried yet another one under our apple trees yesterday. (although I think they're classed as fallen stock and have to be 'properly disposed of', but I've also seen it suggested that if the dead bird is cooked it can then be legally put in your wheelie or food waste bin)

        I think that the EU Animal By Products Regs permit member countries to authorise fallen stock to be fed to birds of prey, but no chance of feeding fallen stock to Red Kites in the UK as we haven't opted in to do that. It's easier to bury asbestos than dead animals.
         
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          So a Horse in an asbestos coffin would be a nightmare.
           
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            Trust you Zigs !!




            Lots of things happen on the QT in the food ind:mute:;):nonofinger::th scifD36::snooze:
             
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              I know, got in trouble with my Auntie when I said the Chinese takeaway didn't taste like beef.

              Turned out we'd been eating Cat :ouch1:
               
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                @Scrungee ....Sorry about the Hen Scrungee....I beg to differ with ye olde DEFRA..My chooks are my pets and all my 'fallen stock' get a proper burial;)
                 
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                  @pete - I think the theory is that the horses wouldn't get into that bedraggled state in the first place if they had some 'value'

                  My understanding is, at the moment when any working horse reaches its retirement, it is simply put out to grass and has no further value (unless the owner has a sentimental attachment to it of course) - and its this lack of value that leads to them being tethered up or wallowing around in fields that are more mud than grass, and generally being neglected. The end result for the animal is a miserable existence peppered with disease and discomfort, and then in many cases they are shipped abroad to go into the food and other production chains (be it pet food, human food or glue etc).

                  If horses were seen as a legitimate part of the food chain, then in addition to them being reared purely for food (which would bring with it systems of regulation), but also could potentially see those horses that are no longer fit for work admittedly meeting their demise earlier, but at least they would have been well looked after for the whole of their life and not end up suffering :dunno:
                   
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                    Yup,
                    And for this reason they are responsible for environmental abuse.
                    If you are prepared to eat anything, may as well plunder the wild for it.
                     
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                      Don't forget about the 1000+ race horses ,that are slaughtered each year and that's just in the UK:sofa::old:
                       
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