A Rare Vintage Tomato

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    Here's a couple of photos of them close up:

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      Excellent post John, thanks for that:blue thumb:

      A pity you lost the outdoor crop to blight. You said the outdoor ones (produced from side-shoots) grew quicker than those in the greenhouse. Could this be because temperatures by that time were more favourable? And maybe side-shoots are more vigorous anyway? Just a thought :dunno: What was the flavour like with the greenhouse grown? And, overall, how did you rate them?
       
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      Hi Freddy, yes the weather had a lot to do with it I think. Remember we had a long cold spring and most plants struggled. So maybe later sowing helped in that respect. They got the best of the summer sun with no cold to check them .

      My greenhouse ones were bland. I must admit I was sad that the outdoor ones failed just at the point of ripening as I really would have liked to have tasted them.

      @"M" said she liked the taste of her's so I'm going to give them another try next year, outdoors to see how they do.
       
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        I found my side shoots grew quicker too but as you say Freddy it could be because the temperatures were better at that point. I'll be growing them again next year too, it will be interesting to make a comparison with different growing conditions as it's unlikely we'll get two good summers on the trot! :)
         
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          I will grow them again next year and give them a proper bit of space in the veg patch. This last year I struggled to fit them in as my patch was already full before I'd started :)
           
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            The Manx Marvel sounds like a pretty robust tomato and i think the Yorkshire summers would suit it nicely...:thumbsup:..i'd love to give it a go inside and out:dbgrtmb:
             
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              @Jack McHammocklashing .....Just had a thought Jack,i know you've said of problems you've had with growing tomatoes up your way with the weather...Manx Marvel might be one to try if you fancied it:thumbsup:
               
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                Just a thought, but has anyone sent a message to Dr Russell Sharp at Lancaster to say how we're getting on? Could be an opportunity for GC to get some funds for participating in a 'rare tomato revival project'! Every year we could start on a new revival...
                 
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                  Jack, I can send you some seeds - give tomatoes one more chance - this might be the answer as its a tough little blighter with very fast growth.

                  Another great idea. @Sheal do you want to do this?
                   
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                    ddddd I missed the Premiere !!! :star:

                    I grew mine (2) in a mini greenhouse so NO cross pollination, plus the cuttings where grown on the decking outside , but no seeds collected from these.

                    I found the seedlings to be the smallest I have ever grown from a tomato seed and prone to keeping the seed shell on the baby leafs I lost one plant as it didnt come off.

                    Taste wise , best way to describe "old fashioned flavor" I didn't find tasteless and not watery like most new varieties , very firm flesh, to be honest I really liked them and have only just finished eating the last ones at the weekend, friends and family loved them, but they had to wait until I had cropped enough seeds. :pathd:
                    They didn't suffer any pest or fungus problems through the year, I agree with everyone outside they will perform but had equal if not more success growing in the mini - greenhouse

                    It has been good fun growing them and chatting about what we were all up to with them

                    couple of photos I will up load later

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                      When I started to gather information about MM (Manx Marvel) on the island my leads took me to Dr Sharp. I emailed him at the time, both at the university and on his personal email address and received no replies from either. I assumed from that he was no longer interested in the tomato or the island and has probably moved on with his work.
                       
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                        This is a good idea, the only draw back I can see at the moment is locating and getting hold of seed to do this. As you saw in the article, Dr.Sharp found MM in an American seed bank, we of course wouldn't have access to places such as this.
                         
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                          A researcher in the field (Dr Sharp for example), when working on these projects, have access to this type of information or the ability to locate it. First question is how did he first locate the seeds?
                          Jumping ahead, if this was to work out I would expect the lead researcher to determine the seed to be grown and we'd perform the actual growing and feedback perhaps. Should we stumble upon a rare seed then we could also run that.
                           
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