Fracking good or bad?

Jack McHammocklashing · Jan 16, 2014

ARMANDII said: ↑
While that partially true, Clueless, I don't think that's the primary concern. What does seem to be the sting in the tail with Nuclear is what we do with the nuclear waste and where we store it on this tiny, overpopulated Isle.
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I mentioned earlier WHAT NUCLEAR WASTE WAS it is cotton gloves and paper suits that had been worn whilst in the Nuclear power room LESS radiation than on your illuminated wrist watch that is stored usually under Granite in Scotland

The uranium rods are processed and returned

Jack McH

ARMANDII · Jan 16, 2014

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My understanding is that it is not as much as people imagine. The "waste" includes lots of low grade waste (that has to be stored too, but is not so toxic). The amount of High Grade waste is only 3% of the total. It is stored for 40 years (at the reactor) during which time its radioactivity falls by 1,000 fold. The sting is in the tail though, as you said, because it then takes a further 1,000 years to fall to be the same level as the Ore that was mined in the first place. The high grade waste of the nuclear industry in the UK, for a human lifetime (70 years or whatever) is 35 olympic swimming pools - 2L per year per person. We already produce 517 kg of municipal waste and 83 kg of hazardous waste (per person per year).
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The trouble is no one, including you and I, want it stored "on our doorstep" or even in the next county to us no matter how allegedly low the waste is.

Kristen · Jan 16, 2014

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The trouble is no one, including you and I, want it stored "on our doorstep"
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Indeed, and all the best Boffins have looked for a solution to that conundrum for a generation already, so they are unlikely to find a solution now I reckon :(

ARMANDII · Jan 16, 2014

Jack McHammocklashing said: ↑
The uranium rods are processed and returned
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High-level radioactive waste management concerns management and disposal of highly radioactive materials created during production of nuclear power and nuclear weapons. The technical issues in accomplishing this are daunting, due to the extremely long periods radioactive wastes remain dangerous to living organisms. Of particular concern are two long-lived fission products, technetium-99 (half-life 220,000 years) and iodine-129(half-life 15.7 million years),[1] which dominate spent nuclear fuel radioactivity after a few thousand years. The most troublesometransuranic elements in spent fuel are neptunium-237 (half-life two million years) and plutonium-239 (half-life 24,000 years).[2]Consequently, high-level radioactive waste requires sophisticated treatment and management to successfully isolate it from thebiosphere. This usually necessitates treatment, followed by a long-term management strategy involving permanent storage, disposal or transformation of the waste into a non-toxic form.[3]

Radioactive decay follows the half-life rule, which means that the rate of decay is inversely proportional to the duration of decay. In other words, the radiation from a long-lived isotope like iodine-129 will be much less intense than that of short-lived isotope like iodine-131.[4]

Governments around the world are considering a range of waste management and disposal options, usually involving deep-geologic placement, although there has been limited progress toward implementing long-term waste management solutions.[5] This is partly because the timeframes in question when dealing with radioactive waste range from 10,000 to millions of years,[6][7] according to studies based on the effect of estimated radiation doses.[8] Breeder reactors can userecycled waste from light water reactors as a fuel, extracting additional energy while transmutating it to isotopes that would be safe after hundreds, instead of tens of thousands of years.
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shiney · Jan 17, 2014

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Since moving here, I have slowly flipped lights over to LED - and they are absolutely brilliant. I have ones like these under the cabinets in the kitchen, three of these in the kitchen ceiling light, and four in the bathroom (they are exceptionally good), one of these in the PIR lantern at the front door, which is incredibly bright and a nice white light and two of these, one in the wee ones bedroom and one in the close between the house and the outhouse, which are utter rubbish and will soon be replaced with ones similar to the PIR lantern light.
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FC, those bulbs you show for the ceiling lights have little lugs on the ends of the two pins. The bulbs I have in the kitchen, bathroom, hall and corridor all have two very thin pins. Are those sort available as well? What is the total length of the ones you have in the bedrooms? My outside lights are ES type bulbs but I haven't yet found any low power ones that are short enough to fit in.

Fat Controller · Jan 17, 2014

shiney said: ↑
FC, those bulbs you show for the ceiling lights have little lugs on the ends of the two pins. The bulbs I have in the kitchen, bathroom, hall and corridor all have two very thin pins. Are those sort available as well? What is the total length of the ones you have in the bedrooms? My outside lights are ES type bulbs but I haven't yet found any low power ones that are short enough to fit in.
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The ones I have are GU10 240v - yours sound like MR16's from your description.

The light fitting I have outside is similar to this one, and the LED bulb fits fine. I don't know the exact dimensions but I would guess that its approximately 4 or 5 cm taller than a conventional bulb, and about 2 cm narrower?

They also do adaptors to let your socket take a different bulb; I have a couple of the BC22 to ES27 adaptors, and they work well. Just bear in mind that the GU10 bulbs by their very nature are fairly directional, so in a fitting like mine they would be firing the light straight up which would reduce the usable light. The corn bulbs are more versatile and have a better spread of light - just avoid those 7w ones I have at the moment because they really are terrible.

I am more than happy to guide you through the maze a bit if it helps? Feel free to PM any time

Scrungee · Jan 17, 2014

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...accused-of-overhyping-shale-gas-benefits.html

Prime Minister uses fracking industry estimates of up to £10m benefits, failing to mention independent government-commissioned research that it could be just £2.4m']Prime Minister uses fracking industry estimates of up to £10m benefits, failing to mention independent government-commissioned research that it could be just £2.4m
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Please read in conjunction with the way I've rubbished/commented above upon financial inducements to local communities.

clueless1 · Jan 17, 2014

The second link doesn't work @Scrungee, but the headline says it all. The current government has been proven to lie about money in another story today too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25766564

Basically, they've been banging on about spending more on flood defences than any previous government, and some guy from Friends of the Earth has pulled them up on their own official figures, and shown that they've actually spent less.

_Evelyn_ · Jan 17, 2014

Here is a quote from the BBC article posted above.

"With millions of homes and business at risk from flooding they need to increase the budget and tackle the causes of climate change, which will increase the likelihood of more flooding."

Hmmmm I wonder who told the BBC that, Wiesław Masłowski by any chance??

clueless1 · Jan 17, 2014

_Evelyn_ said: ↑
Wiesław Masłowski
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Who's he then?

EDIT: Just looked him up. Seems he's the polar opposite to Micheal Fish.

Fat Controller · Jan 17, 2014

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Who's he then?
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No idea, but I am pretty sure I saw his brothers name on an eye test chart once.........

_Evelyn_ · Jan 17, 2014

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Who's he then?
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He's a scientist who predicted in 06 the arctic would be ice free by 2013 the BBC wrote an apocalyptic story on the back of his research, I've tried to post the link to the story but it won't let me copy the link and I don't know why.

Fat Controller · Jan 17, 2014

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He's a scientist who predicted in 06 the arctic would be ice free by 2013 the BBC wrote an apocalyptic story on the back of his research, I've tried to post the link to the story but it won't let me copy the link and I don't know why.
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Would this be the same Arctic that was more frozen than scientists expected recently, resulting in their ship becoming ice bound?

Scrungee · Jan 17, 2014

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The second link doesn't work
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I only posted one link (in post #127 above) - please quote the 'second' one that "doesn't work" and I'll correct it.

or perhaps you meant my "quote" that was initially displayed incorrectly because of the way this forum's software incorrectly displays things pasted in 'Rich Text Editor' mode, so users have to change input manually using BBC Code to get stuff to display properly? (you should be able to verify using Mod's ability to view Xenforo 'Edit History'.

EDIT: This forum's software keeps playing up. When I posted ages ago about having to keep re-hitting the post button, it was suggested the cause was something to do with my individual laptop, but other users have similar problems. I've also mentioned in the past about url tags getting included in wrong places.

I also have the same problem with trying to edit posts and uploading images,

_Evelyn_ · Jan 17, 2014

Yes haha! I believe the ice is at a record high at the moment.

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Scrungee Well known for it

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A few photos of a proposed fracking site:-

Lawn + badger problem Ideas please

Is this badger poo?

Roses - really bad case of rust on stems and leaves

Are these dark patches on my tomatoes bad news?

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Jack McHammocklashing Sludgemariner

ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

Kristen Under gardener

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shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

Fat Controller 'Cuddly' Scottish Admin! Staff Member

Scrungee Well known for it

clueless1 member... yep, that's what I am:)

_Evelyn_ Gardener

clueless1 member... yep, that's what I am:)

Fat Controller 'Cuddly' Scottish Admin! Staff Member

_Evelyn_ Gardener

Fat Controller 'Cuddly' Scottish Admin! Staff Member

Scrungee Well known for it

_Evelyn_ Gardener

A few photos of a proposed fracking site:-

Lawn + badger problem Ideas please

Is this badger poo?

Roses - really bad case of rust on stems and leaves

Are these dark patches on my tomatoes bad news?

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