Is BBCtv still a commercial free channel?

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  1. Daisies

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    I don't think so. Over the last few months, it's aired some programmes under the loose definition of public information that give blatant air time to major supermarkets and other companies.

    I think this should be reflected in the television licence fees.

    If you agree perhaps you'd consider signing my petition

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  2. Phil A

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    I don't pay a licence fee and i've removed their assumed right of access to my property.

    I've noticed they're making a lot of shows that have breaks for commercials. I assume they are selling them to foreign parts.
     
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      In fairness, they sell a fair bit to the UKTV network (which I think the BBC partly own), which we see as repeats on Gold and Dave.
       
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      • pete

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        Dont watch it that often, but always annoyed when they cut a programme short in order to get in the trailers for coming programmes, Why?
         
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          I think they might have already been told. I've noticed on Radio 2 in the morning, they no longer say that their articles are on Twitter or Bookface. Instead they say its on social media.
           
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            Your TV stand could do with a duster Daisy :snork:
             
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            She's too busy on the Nintendo Wii :)
             
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            No, truly, it's the way the table is finished. Horrible, isn't it?

            Besides which, it and the TV on it went to the dump years ago! This is my TV stand now

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            Hey - is anybody voting on my poll? club.gif
             
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            Sorry, Daisees, I don't do online polls and have a habit of filling in compulsory forms (census etc.) in a most unusual way. But I wish you luck. :blue thumb:

            Why have you got your cat wrapped up in a string bag? :heehee: :cat-kittyandsmiley:

            Is your novel in paper form? If so, I'll see whether we can get it into the library in town.
             
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            We have no TV, it was all rubbish on there anyway, the adverts were better than the programmes sometimes :) Anything worth watching like Gardeners World I can catch up on iplayer,
             
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              I don't really have a problem with the BBC to be honest - I accept the point that they are licence fee funded, and therefore should not be seen to be endorsing any service or product, but in reality how many conversations do we all have on a daily basis that contain a reference to a product even when it is not intended?

              Later today for example, I will be having a Bacardi and Coke -- - - its not, its Sainsbury's White Rum and Sainsbury's Cola, but in conversation it is a Bacardi and Coke. Before I do that though, I want to do my hoovering (even spell-check doesn't balk at this one!), but I will be doing it with a Dyson.

              I even understand the argument that the licence fee is somewhat foisted upon us, in that we have no option but to pay to be within the letter of the law if we have the equipment; however, the £11-odd a month isn't all that bad a value, especially when it is compared to the cost of subscription services; Mrs C watches more TV than I do, so we have Virgin Media TiVo - the top tier service (which we don't have any longer as the prices got stupid), is currently around £130 a month! Sure, that includes really fast broadband and phone, but even allowing £50 for those two, its still £80 a month for channels full of tripe (some of which is recycled BBC programs as mentioned earlier) - - - licence fee suddenly looks really good value, especially when we consider the radio stations, and the website also;

              Yes, they do annoy me with their propaganda stuff (global warming, anti-sugar, anti-fat, anti-alcohol etc etc), but lets not forget the good stuff they do too - Radio 2, Top Gear :snork:, Gardener's World etc.......
               
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                I agree with FC that the BBC provides good value for money in general. However there is a lot that's fundamentally wrong with it.

                Good points:
                * Of all the main media sources, the BBC is the one I trust the most for presenting information objectively. For example, in the many wars we seem to have, I'm more inclined to believe the BBC version of events than any other (unless I actually meet someone who was there).
                * The BBC provides a very good range of different program types, covering all genres, whereas the others seem to sell us mostly American sitcom, drama that's far fetch beyond belief but expects to be taken seriously (ok, BBC has Dr Who which couldn't get more far fetched, but it's clearly meant to be tongue in cheek and doesn't pretend otherwise)
                * Off the box, if you have young kids, the BBC also provides endless entertainment online. In fact when i found out that my son's nursery was introducing them to IT at just 2 years old, I built up my old laptop for my lad, and arranged it to boot straight into the CBeebies website as soon as it comes on. He's on it now playing various games.

                Bad points:
                * It frustrates me that the BBC once had the job of upholding proper English language, yet nowadays often their grammar is so poor it takes me a while to work out what they're on about. Their news website is worst for this.
                * It clearly is trying to sneak in some commercial stuff. There is a lot of 'product placement' going on.
                * Their no adverts policy seems to have been bent slightly by the many adverts for their own stuff, which is fine in a way but they seem to show them at the least convenient times. Sometimes the ads actually talk over the last few words of a program your watching, or sometimes they make the picture your watching small so they can show ads for the other channels, right when the picture your watching is trying to show you something visual. Most annoying.
                * The license payers have no real say. Sure there is the BBC Trust, but it seems to me that that's just a select few people. I think they should consider the bank vs building society strategy. A bank is a commercial entity so does what it pleases. A building society is, to some extent, controlled by its members. Whenever a building society wants to make a significant change, they write to all their members to tell them, and often ask them to vote. The BBC does no such thing. I believe the director general was recently changed again. There should really have been a building society style election where they write to recommend a new one, but allow you to vote for other candidates from the shortlist if you want to.
                * Kind of following on from the point above, it is only good value for those that use a lot of their services. In our house it is good value for money. We all use the TV, my son likes CBeebies, he uses the CBeebies website regularly, I use the BBC New website regularly. My mother on the other hand uses none of that, except the regular, long standing BBC channels BBC1 and BBC2, yet both households pay the same license fee. Comparing that to, say, Virgin Media, our house might use, and pay for, quite a lot. Whereas my mam might only use a small subset of the services on offer, but then only pay for that small subset of services.

                I do have one other bugbear, but its not really the BBC's fault. The company that gets the job of looking after the licensing is unscrupulous and plain nasty. Capita used to have the contract, I don't know who has it now. I don't like the way they try to intimidate people into getting a license even if they don't want to use any BBC services. I've had to threaten them with legal action for harassment in the past for this very reason, and one lad I know had to deal with legal threats and even a court summons for his dead father in law. The companies that enforce it also take a more than substantial cut of the money raised from license fees.
                 
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                I rarely watch tv but I know the BBC has does and has for a long time promoted Facebook and Twitter daily and in some cases you can only contact them though FB so to me it is constantly advertising.
                 
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                Although I don't use either Twitter or Facebook - and wouldn't dream of using them - I'm not sure I would call that advertising. It's just a form of communication and no different than giving an email address or phone number.

                I know that these last two don't have a commercial name but I agree with FC on this. The first two have just become a standard way of communicating for a large amount of people and, therefore, the BBC need to use it.

                On the up side, Facebook has been losing young members hand over fist and teenagers aren't signing up to it in any significant quantity.

                On the down side, they're going to Whatsapp and Snapchat. These forms of social media will be the reference point for the BBC, and other media, when they're aiming at youngsters.
                 
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