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  1. Steve R

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    I understand all the above and respect your views on all you have stated. But:

    Filters: Filter light
    Lens caps: cap the lens to protect it
    Lens hoods: hood the lens to stop unwanted or unwelcome light from entering.

    They do exactly what they say on the tin.

    I've never lost a lens cap, its removed from camera, photo taken and cap replaced...pretty simple and basic, and when lens caps is removed, fingers dirt or anything else that may damage the front coating of the lens is kept well away from it, any wind blown dirt or pollen is easily removed with a rocket blower.

    Now I have never lost a lens cap but I have had a camera drop from my bag that I thought was secured. The camera dropped to the floor and I heard the shatter of glass. The camera and lens needed replacing, the fitted filter shattered and scratched the coating of the lens. The lens glass was otherwise unaffected.

    Use filters if you must to protect your lens, but its not its primary roll and nothing will protect the lens more than a careful photographer treating his/her gear like the holy grail and also utilising the lens cap.

    Most pro togs will actually use a filter holder attached to the lens, and slide in flat filters as opposed to screw on types.

    Steve...:)
     
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      Thanks Steve, unfortunately I think that one or two members will confess to losing a lens cap or two after thinking they'd put it in a safe place.:heehee: I know that a good percentage of the lenses I have bought certainly didn't come with their original lens cap although the lenses themselves were in excellent almost mint condition.
      I use a Cokin P type filter holder that can be attached to my lenses but I use that for graduated, ND, colour filters, etc but obviously it is solely used for just that purpose, as it's certainly not protective as you say.
      I think the majority of photographers use a UV filter on the front of their lenses and for the reasons I stated. Using different accessories for their sole purpose by the none professional photographer, who may not have the discipline of a professional or serious amateur, can also provide side effects such as a filter providing the secondary benefit of keep dirt etc out and off the lens. But like all things it's a matter of personal choice.:snork:
       
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      I just don't see the point...spend hundreds of pounds on a quality lens to give the best clarity and sharpness you can afford, then you bung a cheap (£10) piece of glass in front of it...that's madness. But whatever floats your boat I guess, it was all the rage 6 or 7 years ago to put these filters on to "protect the lens", and that mantra was then picked up by the filter producers themselves.

      Here's what can happen with a UV filter permanently fitted to a lens can do, because it is permanently fitted, you forget it's there until you download the shot to your pc.

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      I was photographing light trails from car brake lights and due to the filter, the headlights where reversed and turned upside down as the light was bounced around the cavity between filter and lens.

      Use filters to protect your lens if you wish, but I would not put a cheap piece of glass in front of mine now.

      Steve...:)
       
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      Oh I do like a good debate!:stirpot:
      Got to agree with Steve regarding protection... and lens cap. But.. for some togs who like to snapshot, removing a lens cap can mean the loss of a shot. I've got filters on most of my lenses as I'd rather have to replace a scratched filter than a lens and on the few occasions when I've sold a lens I can say that it's been protected for all its life. In general if I'm out and about the lens cap is on, but if I'm out on a walk and looking for wildlife the cap is off and I'm ready to shoot.
      My first lens hood almost five decades ago was a Blue Peter type. It was the top of a Fairy Liquid bottle sprayed black that fitted neatly onto the lens of the folding Zeis (Ikonta?) I'd bought at a jumble sale. I thought it was the bees's knees!:lunapic 130165696578242 5:
       
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      Same theory as the printable lens hoods Dave...it worked, and that's what matters!

      Steve...:)
       
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      So do I!!! It's always interesting and educational to swap opinions and methods.

      You've got me confused there, Dave, as it sounds like you've got your feet in both camps of thought:scratch:. I have my lens cap on my lens and, like you, take it off when walking about. But Steve is against using a filter and doesn't use them at all so you don't agree with him there???:dunno: What I was saying about lens caps is that once off they don't protect the lens and and for the less disciplined amateur there's a chance it could/will get lost:heehee:

      Present day known brands and Manufacturers of Filters do make them to a high optical standard at a fairly low price and are able to do so due to modern manufacturing methods. So I have no worries about losing image quality due to low grade glass because you'd have to buy a none branded filter to do that.
      I did make the "mistake" sometime back of asking on the Pentax and Amateur Photography Magazine Forums whether I should use a UV filter or not. That question nearly started a war on both Sites!!!!:lunapic 130165696578242 5: :runforhills: There was fanatical reaction and the comments on both sides were hardline with anyone trying to compromise being given short shrift.!!!:hate-shocked: Some claimed that putting a "bit of glass" in front of a high class optical lens was an affront and diabolical act completely ruining the image quality and the user would go spend his time in Hell clicking on a Camera with no film or card in it.:doh:
      The other camp were just as fervent and hardline stating that having a filter added to the quality of the image.....ranting on and giving different reasons and disagreeing violently with the other camp...........I stayed out of it!
      But I did try testing the claims of either side, taking shots with and without filters of the same subject in the same light conditions. Now I will confess I am not a pixel peeper, nor am I a professional photographer, but for the life of me no matter how I tried I could not see any difference in image quality whatsoever.:dunno:
      So I had to take a personal assessment of what were the advantages/disadvantages of having a good quality UV filter screwed near enough permanently on the front of my lenses. Since I could not discern any loss in image quality and could recognise that having a filter on the lens would stop the lens from as you say

      I decided that having a filter on the lens would [a] protect the lens from dirt, dust, drops of rain, etc, give me that extra bit of confidence and enjoyment knowing the lens was protected. [c] There was no discernable loss of image quality and if there was any it would take a Technical Laboratory to trace it.
      Again, I'm not a professional or an expert and I would class myself as an Enthusiast who's willing to try different methods, lenses, and accessories in an effort to learn more. But having these different views and opinions is, for me, a welcome thing, as it pushes the boundaries of photography. But I think I have unwittingly placed myself between the two fixed camps of thought:sofa::snork:
       
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      That's fair enough and I recognise that many togs do use uv filters to so called protect their lens (for me it did the opposite), but a filter is a filter a lens cap is designed to protect the lens.

      If you wish to use a filter to protect your lens, then that's great and I wish you well with it as I have said all along. But the best protection is the lens cap and a careful photographer. But by saying that I do not take away your choice to do as you wish with your camera, lens, filters or lens caps. Your shooting style is yours and yours alone and I would never impinge on that. I'm merely stating my own point of view and experience.

      I used a UV filter to protect my lens, it did not work for me and actually damaged one, the permanent fixing of the filter ruined some shots and so I never replaced it. I've used the lens cap ever since and two cameras later have not damaged either lens or camera or lost a lens cap...I'm just careful with my gear now, perhaps as a direct result of having damaged gear in the past.

      There is no right or wrong way here, just the way that the tog who is holding the camera employs. That's the only and correct way.

      Steve...:)
       
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        Good morning all and thank you for your informative informative I have decided for now not to use a UV filter purely a personal choice of course:ThankYou::)

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        You'll look like a pap waving that thing around Woo! And you'll need a good tripod to hold it still or lots of practice to hand hold.

        Steve...:)
         
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          Hi Steve yes I am finding it difficult panning trying to catch birds in flight especially against the sky light,any tips my friend,currently using Aperture Priority and AF Servo:)
           
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          I think your doing it about right Woo, half auto as you are setup is probably best to capture them, the rest I'm afraid is just practice. I would be tempted to try shutter priority though.

          I don't really use my 70-300 much anymore but when I was using it for the same purpose as you, I found a reasonable grip with my right hand, finger on shutter and the left hand, upturned, flat and supporting the end of the extended lens...helped enormously.

          I did find then that the camera jerked a little when pressing the shutter due to the one handed camera hold approach, but a softer press sorted that out, the rest was just practice.

          Another thing I tried and had some reasonable success with was resting the camera on top of a bean bag, that was draped across the top of a tripod...this gave me a steady pivot point as opposed to it being fixed to a tripod itself.

          But I'm not a dedicated wildlife tog, so others may be able to help more.

          Steve...:)
           
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            Thanks Steve I will try to use Shutter priority and see what happens many thanks my friend:)
             
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              Agreed............although don't say that on any of the Camera Forums as it'll bring out the Hard Line boys to fight over it!!:heehee:
               
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              I've always said what I think and feel regardless of how others may view it, a failing maybe in some cases (and definitely in some peoples eyes) but I have to remain honest to me firstly and foremost.

              I've always stuck by my views regardless of the type of forum I am using, photography forums being one of them. Had one or two squabbles over them over the years but photography is a very relaxed hobby/pastime and does not include squabbling.

              However, there where one or two forums notorious for it, I guess you have found yourself on one of those. I quickly moved on from them and found more settled spaces to reside. I generally don't visit photography forums anymore due to the pressure on all members to comment on others photos, where your expected to comment on every single offering and where if that comment is not positive your slammed for it. From this came the notorious "Nice pic" comment, you'll see in so many places.

              Steve...:)
               
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                Don't change!!:heehee:

                I like to visit different Forums to learn what I can from then. I very rarely contribute to them after that one occasion of asking a innocent question and seeing wars erupt. But some forums have vast numbers of great images of them that can really inspire you, and some with photographers of really great skill, knowledge and experience who pass on methods etc without patronising or lecturing/
                I'm a member of a couple of Photo Clubs but I never enter competitions or the like. The reason for that is I've seen the reactions of members when their treasured submissions are being judged and the interpretations that the "Judges" put on them when judging. I've seen some stunning pics basically being rejected because they didn't meet the traditional views. Images taken by a photographer can be very personal and it can be very disappointing if it isn't seen in the same light or value by some one supposedly qualified enough to judge it.:cry3:

                Agreed.:coffee:
                 
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