Justice is done?

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  1. liliana

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    Well William Roache was found not guilty.

    I must admit to say that I was surprised, surely all the ladies cannot be all telling lies?:scratch:
     
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    Yeah a bit strange. One word against another I guess.
     
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    How on earth were they ever going to prove it? Idiotic case.
     
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    i am going to stay out of this one
     
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      Well, being that i and OH have been blamed for things that we have not done for 20 years +, We know what it's like, it mess up our life big time(i can think of some stronger words) and is very hard to get back to a normal life (what ever that may be now)
       
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        Cases like this are very difficult; anyone who has assaulted or abused someone else should be brought to book - its unacceptable behaviour, period,

        However, if the behaviour took place many years ago, and there are no witnesses, how on earth is there going to be any evidence? Without any real evidence, it comes down to a case of one person's word against another, and that is simply not enough to convict someone.
         
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          I believe William Roache
          justice done
          Jenny
           
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          The problem is the aftermath of a case like this. It leaves a stain on both sides. The ladies are either seen as nasty liars or they told the truth and justice failed them. The accused is often stained with having been accused for the rest of his/her life and the consequences are appalling. There are no winners.
          In this particular case, as a famous person, the accused can easily defend himself publicly but it isn't always that simple for someone who isn't in the public eye. I have known someone who's life was destroyed by a false allegation. No easy answer for it.
           
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          • Phil A

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            As we've discussed before, I still think no one should be named unless they are found guilty.
             
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            • Ellen

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              I agree, but they claim "in the public interest"

              On another note, the police officer who lied about 'plebgate' got 12 months imprisonment, but real criminals get slapped wrists and community service...
               
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              Abusers have taken advantage of that fact to manipulate vulnerable people and get away with it time after time. It seems like an insoluble problem.

              Perhaps it would change with a more open attitude to reporting of abuse. If victims came forward sooner there would be far more chance of getting cast-iron evidence and a safe conviction.
               
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                Why not?

                I'm afraid its a harsh reality that the very reason we need courts is because some people lie.

                The whole way that operation yewtree has been/is being conducted is just a farce. I said it ages ago, and it seems I'm not alone in thinking it because I see its made it into mainstream comedy now. Watching Have I Got News For You the other night, one of the panelist's mobile phone rang so he answered it. We heard one side of a brief mock conversation before he finished and explained that that was just some made up service calling, where famous people can check if they're on the list just to save the suspense of wondering if they're next.

                The problem with operation yewtree is the way it is being deliberately kept high profile. I'm afraid its a fact of life that some people will jump on any bandwagon. This is proven time and time again. Anyone remember the paediatrician that was terrorised because one halfwit didn't known the difference between the words paediatrician and paedophile? Some of the mob must have known the difference even if the halfwit that started it didn't. How come the X Factor winner always makes it to the number 1 spot even though many people say they hate the whole thing? Facebook has 1.2 Billion users despite it being a bit rubbish. Some people jump on bandwagons and follow the mob. Add to that the capacity to lie, and you end up with a farce like operation yewtree. I myself have been on the receiving end of such lies. Apparently I made an ex girlfriend pregnant once despite the fact that we fell out before we'd even got to the stage of practising the art of baby making, and various of my friends have similar stories.

                Of course it is possible that the women were telling the truth. Lots of people do tell the truth. But because lots of people also lie, it makes it very difficult to see any integrity in cases such as these. If operation yewtree was not so high profile, it might stand a better chance of being fair. If a woman genuinely is a victim, surely she will not need the media to constantly tell her to go after whoever might meet the criteria of being male, and famous at any time between 1960 and 1980. The high profile nature of operation yewtree means that genuine victims will always be viewed with some scepticism, because while it is possible they are telling the truth, it is also possible they are jumping on the bandwagon so to speak.
                 
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                  I believe he was guilty as hell.......he just had a bloody good barrister.
                   
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                  Were you a witness, a judge, one of the lawyers, or a member of the jury?
                   
                • Phil A

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                  He's been found innocent by a Jury. I'm sure they had far more insight into the case than what we've had from the media or speculation.
                   
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