Wee Eck is even more unhinged than I thought

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  1. longk

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    I have no issues with the Scots having total independence - it's their right, so if that is what they decide so be it.
    However, I do believe that they would be committing economic suicide. Independence will make no tangible difference to their day to day lives, but being in poverty does. It's their call.
     
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    • JWK

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      Agreed. There will be a honeymoon period for a few years whilst the SNP hands out it's bribes to the YES voters, I'd hate to see them go the way of Greece but it will happen. The rest of the UK can't possibly risk monetary union if it means we would be liable to bail them out.
       
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        Just read this comment on the BBC's website regarding "Chancellor George Osborne has said a vote for Scottish independence would mean walking away from the pound":

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          I'm still a little perplexed as to why the Conservatives are backing the no vote. I hasten to add I am NOT a political beast at all but know full well that it is the Scottish voters which have helped keep Labour in power over the years down in Westminster. There is the small matter of Trident for the government to consider and the bigger picture of how the rest of the world will view England if it stands alone as it could lead to Wales going for Independence and open a can of worms over in Northern Ireland. As the UK was created by the unification of the English and Scottish crowns then The UK would cease to exist.
          I have 1st hand experience of how Americans adore both Ireland and Scotland, I would doubt they would see it a positive move should we break up.
          Re the proposed new currency (the leaf)...hysterical if it wasn't so bl..dy near the truth!
           
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            Yes, but they wouldn't have any trouble having lots of the currency. All they have to do is to nationalise the Forestry Commission in Scotland! :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
             
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            It is strange, I can't reconcile it either. Surely they aren't putting aside their own party interests ahead of the common good for all the UK? I can understand why Labour are backing Alistair Darling and the NO vote but what's in it for the Tories?
             
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            Well, now George Osborne as Chancellor and all three major political parties are saying that there will be no negotiations about sharing the Pound as it will not be shared. That leaves the SNP will the choice of either inventing their own currency and all the problems that will involve or going for the Euro which the EU is not all that keen on. The SNP are taking the line that it's all a bluff and bullying by Westminster but they know that it's not. They're going to have to come up with a convincing plan on what and how they are going to manage their finances as a separate foreign country. It will mean economic chaos for them as in trying to establish a new currency they will have a very painful cost of living rise for the general public and they will have to back the Banks left in the country somehow otherwise the global financial market will not go near them.:coffee::dunno:
             
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            I read something on the news earlier where one of the Scottish ministers was arguing that currency unions can work, and cited the Euro as an example:)

            I can't find the article now though.

            But I thought as soon as I read it, are these people completely oblivious to the financial disaster in the Eurozone? Even Germany, long held to be the strongest economy in the Euro, is struggling.
             
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            Well, it appears that the SNP is saying that there is no Plan "B" and that they will negotiate with Westminster about sharing the Pound should Scotland decide to become independent. That appears to be a very weak hand to have as they have no powers to force Westminster to agree to a shared Pound:dunno::snork:
             
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            Its seems the EU top dog has warned that Scotland wont be automatically accepted into the EU, and that they'll have to apply like everything other country that wants to join.

            This has upset Scotland's finance minister because:

            I had to double check my age, because I'm less than 40 years old and yet can clearly remember the EU coming into existence.
             
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            The EU was established in 1993. What the eck is he talking about, a Finance Minister who can't do simple subtraction, 2014 - 1993 = 21.


            P.S. If he meant EEC (joined in Jan 1973) + EU, then the answer is 41 years, not 40.
             
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              Scrungee, where did you get the notion that Finance Ministers are supposed to know maths? :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
               
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                Lucky old Scotland.
                If it was a bit warmer up there I'd consider moving.:biggrin:
                 
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                  Salmond.
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                  Can't believe his diatribes. 'I'll take apart the finance ministers argument, point by point'... Saying the EU President's comment of 'extremely difficult if not impossible' for Scotland to join the EU was preposterous... I'm pretty sure the President would have an inkling about it. I'm also pretty sure cameron has had words and done a deal in light of the UK's own mumblings about a referendum!
                   
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