Wee Eck is even more unhinged than I thought

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    What I find ridiculous is that this referendum is taking place without any prior firm details on adoption of currency, EU membership, defence, apportionment of debts/assets, etc., etc.

    Just how can anybody be expected to make an informed decision on the basis of speculation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_Agreement_(2012)

    If this is repeated in any future referendum regarding the future of the (remainder of?) UK in the EU it will be equally farcical.

    Why did our Government agree to a referendum without any prior negotiations for Scottish independence, but with no such lack of negotiations before a UK referendum on membership of the EU?
     
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      Coz the parent (Cameron) gave in to the screaming whiny brat Salmond.
      Oh, and its all ridiculous. Scots are supposed to decide their future on promises of milk and honey
       
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      Ach, England and the EU commissioners are just big bullies and wee Eck is going to use the pound and/or the euro whatever anyone says - so therrr
       
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        Well, I think if he gets his way, then his electorate are idiots and the remainder of the UK would be better off without them.

        I mean, if I was in Scotland, I'd be thinking to myself, what are my job prospects going to be if I let this man scare off international investors, spread insecurity and disarray through every company in Scotland, and every company that trades with Scotland, threaten to knacker the banks, which will knacker me with my mortgage. Will I get to keep my job? Will I get to keep my house?

        The man is an idiot. As far as I can see he is pushing for independence because he himself has some crazy notion without any hint of actual logic applied. In fact if I was in Scotland I'd be pretty fuming at the man, for not only threatening my future, but for threatening the welfare of my kids and their kids because of his own stupid agenda.

        If the people of Scotland want independence, fine, but wait for someone with at least one functioning brain cell to come up with an actual plan as to how that will work, rather than simply using the argument 'why not' and explaining away all reason by crying off that he's being bullied.
         
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          Because its England that always has to appear to be doing "the right thing", regarding other countries.
          We are not even allowed to have our own flag, for fear of upsetting some one.

          Personally I'd like to see the whole of Britain break up, we would then find out who does what, and who is creating what, the way things are at the moment is a half way house, Scotland and Wales along with N Ireland, make their own rules.
          Then their MPs vote in Westminster on things that affect England.

          If Scotland goes, we should all split, and go it alone, and I mean alone.
           
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            Well, his economic arguments are all shot due to Westminster saying the pound Sterling won't be shared should Scotland go for Independence and now the EC President saying it would be "extremely difficult. if not impossible to join the EU as an independent nation", that statement would rule out the use of the Euro. So that's another financial "leg" kicked from underneath his plans and leaves him spluttering and crying "I'm being bullied, they can't stop me from using the pound, and the President of the EC doesn't know what he's talking about" He's still arguing that the Oil revenue would finance all his plans as if independence was approved 90% of the money would revert to Scotland. But that oil revenue is finite and I'm not sure what other industries would sustain Scotland into the future.


            I think that's as bad an argument, Pete, as Salmond's is!!. Our main revenue comes from financial services and Banks.........and nobody trusts the Banks. We have very little money coming in from other industrial sectors in comparison to the Financial Services and that has to compete against other major foreign financial centers. Plus those running our financial services have, more than once, threatened to move abroad so that's not so secure as we would like. We would find it financially crippling for so many reasons if England was to stand alone. The UK would be better if Scotland didn't listen to a economically ignorant moron that you wouldn't buy a second hand car from and voted to stay within the UK. :coffee:
             
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              Shineyland is independent but we have mutual agreements with the UK government! :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
               
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              and the odd :wallbanging: disagreement eh?
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              I'd like to see the head of state order the PM to get the rumbling factions under his heel and stop all this inane chat about breaking up the union. It wasn't easy creating it and it's being bandied about like it's some plaything for children to much about with.
               
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              Sometimes, very odd!! :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
               
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                OK maybe I was a bit harsh, but lets get things on a even footing then.

                How about an assembly for England, with no interference from the other countries in the union.
                 
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                  Well, there is already a bit of an imbalance in that Scottish MP's can vote on legislation that is wholly English and that is known as the "West Lothian Question". There is argument that the small number of Scottish MP's don't really affect any legislation but I don't think that's the point, as a matter of principle if English MP's can't vote in Scottish matters then it should be reciprocal and Scottish MP's should be denied the power to vote in English matters What we have to be careful of should the Scots not vote to leave the UK politically is to create further division. I do think the Scots and the Welsh should be given more political and financials powers to decide what happens within their sphere of interest.:coffee:
                   
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                    Yes," Scots and the Welsh should be given more political and financials powers to decide what happens within their sphere of interest.:coffee:"


                    But at the same time so should England and N. Ireland.

                    The division is there, it always has been and always will be.
                     
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                    You want to give our Politicians more power!!!:hate-shocked::runforhills:
                     
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