Wee Eck is even more unhinged than I thought

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  1. pete

    pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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    No I want ours to have the same power as theirs, regarding the same subjects.
     
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      I'd rather Yorkshire declared independence, then we wouldn't have to listen to some public school city boys telling us, entirely incorrectly, how reality works.

      There was a cracker on the news just the other day. Because of council spending cuts, some buses are being cut in the Pickering area of North Yorks. It effectively means that entire communities of ageing people will be cut off, isolated. So having lost their fight to save the buses, they asked their MP to ask in parliament if they could keep their bus service if they paid for it themselves, out of their own money. The answer in parliament was no, the reason being, "that would amount to taking away their concessionary bus pass, and they don't want that".
       
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        pete Growing a bit of this and a bit of that....

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        Politicians will always be politicians.

        The problem comes when someone like Salmond gets a bit of extra power, it goes to their head.
        So they should all be the same, you cant have some only looking after the interests of their country, at the expense of the rest in the union.
        Its bound to cause a rift.
        Either you have a union, or you dont.
         
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          Remember that England wilfully took away the independence of these united countries! I don't see why they shouldn't be given the chance to take it back this is the only way they will find out if they can stand alone now, given the right set up of course.
           
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          I can't see how they would be able to go it alone - economically, strategically, administratively and lots of other '..lys...'! But, if they do and it doesn't work, how are they going to be able to get back into step with us, as they would have done away with too much of the parity structure. Not least of it being the pound!
           
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            Does anybody know what happens with nationalities if there's a yes vote? Will everybody residing in Scotland then be declared a Scot and given Scottish Passports, right to reside/work in the new (EU?) country, receive Old Age Pensions, Child Benefit, Tax Credits, etc. from the new Scottish Government, etc.? Who's going to pay it?

            It all sounds like it could be rather complicated to say the least. Will all/part/some of those residing in Scotland automatically be designated 'Scots'. Again it appears the terms of this referendum haven't been properly considered before embarking upon it.

            A shambles before it even starts.
             
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              I reckon we should all take up our arms, and go batter the bar stewards into submission again :-) RESERVING the red hot poker for Lord Eck of Auchtermuchty

              Jack McH
               
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                Good god he doesn't originate from Muchty does he?That's my nearest village!
                 
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                Perhaps Scotland should start with a proper semi-independence that will give them a chance to 'feel their way'. My adoptive island has the Manx Pound as well as Manx passports, driving licences etc. Anybody moving here has to have a Manx government work permit for the first five years of employment assuming they can get a job. The vetting process for this is now quite strict and permanent residents have to be favoured first. All taxing, benefits and pensions are controlled by the Manx Government. I could go on with the list but you can gather that the island functions as independent in pretty much all but name, being owned by the 'crown'.

                Discussion on complete independence surfaces here from time to time. As small as the island is I believe it could be possible, having said that I don't think our Government is strong enough to cope with the transition.
                 
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                  The "Secondhand Car Salesman" is not advocating for a trial period "of semi-independence that will give them the chance to feel their way", Sheal.:dunno: He's after full independence with full control over Political, financial and legal matters in Scotland whilst still using the Pound Sterling backed up by the UK Treasury and Banks. That's a bit like a bloke sharing a car to go to work with you, then deciding to terminate that arrangement buying his own car while using your insurance, car tax, and credit card to pay for his fuel to work.
                   
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                    Yes, I realise he wants full independence Armandii, but he would be better off with semi independence. The Scottish population would be more inclined to accept it as a more gentle approach/transition to full independence. It's also less likely to fail at this point.
                     
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                      If he was a rational person you might have a chance of reasoning with him and his "familiar" but he's not the most rational of people.:dunno::biggrin:
                       
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                        Now what makes you think that? :scratch: Is it something he may have said? :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
                         
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                          That might change

                          http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/46...ext-Queen-of-Scotland-after-independence-vote
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                          He already has "devolution" and the promise of "devolution max" after April
                          He has used it to his own ends, giving Milk and Honey = free prescriptions for all, frozen council tax, topping up those who refuse to pay the full rent after the Housing Benefit was cut
                          With imagine what I can give you with INDEPENDANCE
                          He is offering free child care, a thing he can do today but will not until he is the BOSS

                          How will we pay for this free child care, with extra taxes No no no, with free child care everyone can work and the extra NI and tax will cover it imagine over 100k more workers paying tax
                          (Well I would like to know where they are all going to get these jobs from ? )

                          As of April EVERY CHILD will have a named assigned adult to guide them to the age of 21 :roflol:
                          not just those at risk EVERY CHILD

                          He was advised he can not have the Pound Stirling, he says Yes I can, he knows better than the UK Treasury, If I can not have it I will not pay Scotlands share of debt (then expects the Euro to back his fiscal policy :roflol:

                          The frightening thing is Most Scots believe him

                          Jack McH
                           
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