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  1. Fat Controller

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    After a long wet and mild winter where my grass has been growing pretty much unchecked, I now want to try and get it back into some sort of order. Now, I have a few problems and a few ideas to resolve them, but I don't know which order to do them in and what else I should be doing. I gave the grass its first cut at the weekend which was a relatively high cut as it was simply too long and wet to cut any lower. I has dried out quite nicely, and I should be able to cut it shorter next time round.

    Now, I think I need to do the following:

    - Cut to shorter length
    - Apply weed & feed (Evergreen 4-in-1)
    - Scarify
    - Aerate with my garden fork
    - Overseed by sprinkling the Westland Growsure Fast Acting Grass Seed that I bought yesterday.

    Now, I also have a bit of a dilemma going; on the shady side of the garden toward the back, there is an area where my daughter's trampoline sits, and there is next to no grass left there at all now - moss, yes, but not grass. Now, do I try and reseed it and see if I can get grass growing there again, or do I dig it up and get some turf to lay, or would I be better to accept that no grass is going to ever grow under the trampoline and instead lay membrane and bark chippings just to tidy things up (I would need to get landlord approval for this, but not likely to be an issue)
     
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    I'd wait until your lawn has had another couple of cuts before you start to treat it FC. I don't treat my lawn before the end of April as it allows the grass to get well under way and is stronger to cope with the chemicals.

    I think your to do list should be altered.

    Cut
    Scarify.......Possible thatching
    Aerate
    Apply weed and feed.
    Scarify.....I'm assuming your weed and feed is a moss killer too, so dead moss will need to come out.
    Overseed, but don't do this immediately. Allow the lawn to rest for a few weeks as the chemicals could damage the new seed/grass.

    My neighbours have a trampoline and the lawn underneath theirs is non-existent too. You could try re-seeding with seed that's produced for shady areas but I can't guarantee it will work. There's no point in laying new turf. What about ground hugging plants that don't mind shade?
     
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    Thanks @Sheal - I cut (well, chewed - see my lawnmower woes here) and then got my scarifier out.

    The end result:

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    Did I do too much too soon?

    Would it be worth overseeding sometime soon to try and mitigate, or should I still leave that until after the weed and feed is applied?
     
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    @fat controller. It looks a lot worse than it is, grass is as tough as old boots and after some rain and another couple of cuts it will look a lot better. Looking at the picture I don't think the lawn will need re-seeding, the exception being the trampoline area. Any slight bare patches you have will probably grow back with a little time, I suspect your mower has scalped it a bit. Don't forget there is a maze of roots at work under the soil and they will soon send up new shoots and fill in any patches.

    Do invest in a new mower though, you'll notice a big difference. I personally wouldn't go for the Black and Decker, experience of their tools down the years would put me off, but on the other hand they may have improved with time. Of course it's your choice and it's what you will feel happy with. :)
     
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      No more than once a year, usually around Easter time, I put my mower on scalp mode, which leaves bald patches where I didn't get the ground perfectly even when I prepared to do the lawn. Then I overseed and give it a dusting of sharp sand. Seems to work for me:) The idea of scalp mode is that it cuts off the thicker wayward runners that otherwise result in brown patches after a normal fairly low cut, and the sharp sand just makes it easier for the seeds to germinate, as they have a softer medium for their tiny immature roots to find their way through.

      I wouldn't waste money on all in one weed and feed things. Maybe they've moved in since I last used them, but they never did a thing for me. I might as well of ripped up a few ten quid notes and scattered them over the lawn instead, it would have saved me the effort of going to the shop, and would probably have been more effective.
       
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      I got on quite well with the Evergreen last year to be fair @clueless1 - my problem was that I never kept up the lawn generally.

      The scarifier seems to have loosened the top surface of the soil somewhat too, which can surely only help?

      @Sheal - thank you :) I'm just heading off to order a Bosch.
       
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      I've not had any issues with a weed/feed and mosskiller mix and that's all I've ever used.

      I hope I haven't pushed you in the wrong direction FC, I could be in trouble now. :) I will point out I haven't had an electric mower for thirty years, well apart from a hover one for a bank. My lawns have been to big for electric ones to cope with since.
       
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        Nah, I was between the devil and the deep blue sea with the choice between the two; Bosch is a good brand, and when I was looking last year I seem to remember others recommending the Rotak machines. I've just ordered the Rotak 40, which should be here within the next week or so - - had a voucher to use, so got it for £98, so can't be bad. 2-year warranty too.
         
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          I hope it lives up to it's name, as you say Bosch are usually a good make. I expect a report after the first mowing please! :)
           
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          Will do :) - of course, that is assuming that I haven't completely killed my grass, and actually have something to mow :biggrin:
           
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            Nahhh, it'll be fine, trust me! :)

            My son always says, never trust anyone who says trust me! :runforhills:
             
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              A very sound sentiment. I apply the same rule myself:) Its funny really, of the very few people in my life that I truly trust, I don't recall any of them ever asking me to trust them. Conversely, lots of people have asked me to trust them, and then gone on to let me down.
               
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                Thought I had better update this thread both for the lawn mower review and the progress on the lawn.

                I ended up with the Bosch Rotak 40, which I brought home on Saturday - - the difference was immediately apparent, and left me wondering what on earth I have been battling with for the past couple of years. I breezed through the grass cutting, with no sticking or stalling, and it collected all of the cuttings; without doubt, this is the best lawn mower I have ever used.

                On to the lawn - after saving shed loads of time thanks to the new mower, I decided to crack on and aerate the lawn as the ground under it was completely solid, and there were bare patches everywhere. I started off by sticking the garden fork in at intervals of about three to four inches, and gave the fork a good wiggle, lifting the sod up slightly. I followed this by scattering compost quite liberally across the surface of the lawn (used about 120 litres approx), then I overseeded with Westland Grow Sure Sure Start grass seed, rolled it in using the roller on the back of the new lawn mower to firm the seeds in a wee bit, before sprinkling handfuls of chicken manure pellets across the entire lawn, and then turned the sprinkler on and let it do its thing.

                Its early days yet, but I don't seem to have been plagued by as many birds nicking the seed this time, and a few days on it appears that the compost is less noticeable now which I take to mean that the grass is growing up through it and its getting incorporated into the lawn.

                I suppose time will tell?
                 
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                  I'm glad to hear the lawnmower is working a treat FC. :dbgrtmb: I wish you'd come and talk to my neighbours, they've been nursing there petrol mower for the last year, it sounds dreadful and is forever breaking down!

                  I don't know that the chicken pellets were the right thing to use on a lawn, they could burn the grass, the fact that you've had the sprinkler going will help though. Oh, and the pellets may be keeping the birds away too. :)
                   
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                  Well, I think things are going in the right direction. but it is still very patchy. A lot of the seed seems to have disappeared courtesy of the local bird population, so I am considering having another bash and mixing the seed with something like sharp sand?

                  Not sure whether I should mow it again first, or even weed'n'feed it and then mow it a week or so later and then re-seed once more?

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