Should I go for this plot?

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  1. Jungle Jane

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    I noticed today in a shop window in the next village to me a notice offering plots on the nearby allotment for £20 for a full plot and £10 for half a plot.

    I'm really tempted but am unsure if I'm ready for one yet.

    I was hoping to just grow mostly fruit bushes on half a plot and then get another plot when I had more time to grow veg as well.

    What puts me off is the time constraints I have at the moment and the fact that its on a hill.

    My question to other members is how long do you all roughly spend on their allotment on their busy lives?

    Also the term plot is that really universally the same size on each allotment? A quick Google says that a plot size is 25m2 that seems huge to me. Is this wrong?
     
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    My thinking is that if you didn't want to do it, you'd have dismissed the idea before getting as far as asking our opinions:)
     
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      My first thought is, go and have a look at it;)
       
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        Ave a look, if time is a problem, get a girt roll of black plastic, slice that in into 4 quarters and sit on it till the weeds have gone.

        You can always grow stuff in pots/growbags on top till you'm ready.
         
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          Yep, you don't have to do it all at once:blue thumb:
           
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            Only you will know if you have enough time to take this on. You don't want to start something that will be a burden, but once you have the fruit bushes planted just think of the long term rewards :)


            25 m2 is quite small, 250 m2 would be more like it, which is about the average size of an allotment (10 rods in old money) - think of a full sized tennis court area wise :blue thumb:
             
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              My advice is much the same as has been said above.

              For the difference in the cost £10 Vs £20, I would always go the £20 full plot, as you can always cover the area that you are not intending on sorting in the near future with weed control fabric. Being on a hill hopefully shouldn't be an issue as it may be better drained than one down the hill.
              Your first year from Fruit canes I wouldn't expect too much from, unless you are planting a lot.

              Another train of thought is that if later you decide you want another half a plot, who is to say you will get one directly next to or near your current one, you'll end up spending most time carting tools from one plot to another.

              With regards to how much time do people spend on their plot...... This (as I have learned from talking to different allotmanteers) is all dependent on you, Once you get the plot 'under control', you'll only need to spend time there to hoe it over and water, and obviously harvest whatever you are growing. There are plot holders at mine who have gas stoves with cooking utensils that will spend whole days over there away from the rat race. Another family over there (A Polish family I believe) use their allotment as a garden, and are growing a few things, but again, use it as a cheap escape. So, as I say, how much time you spend there is entirely up to you.

              At the end of the day, the allotment will cost you £20 for the year, even if you do nothing to it (which will be against the rules though ;) ), a lot of people will spend more than this on one night down the pub.
               
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                If you're asking whether to do it, I'd go for the half if anything at all. It will need time and dedication and if those are in short supply then it'll soon become a chore and if that happens you've defeated the whole purpose and deprived someone else of the opportunity. Keep the spark until time and circumstances permit you to take it up fully and enjoy it
                 
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                  Ok then. I'm going to have a look around the site sometime this week and then make my mind up.

                  I've decided to go for an allotment but I'm now just not sure if this is the right one for me yet. There are more that are nearer that apparently have plots but I'm interested in using this one I posted up to grow solely fruit on.
                   
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                    As I said, consider one that is closer, and also try to stay on the same plot, as you'll find it a real pain having bits and pieces dotted around on different plots and even more so if they are if completely different locations.
                     
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                    Just thought I would update this thread.

                    I had a look at the allotment today and put my name down for half a plot as all the plots that were up for grabs have now gone.

                    I was a little concerned about how overgrown some of the plots were. Does anyone have any tips on how to clear a site and on top of the weeds in the plots infancy?
                     
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                    Hard Work Jane :biggrin:

                    Depending on how long since the plot has been tended, there are possibly a few ways you could tackle it.

                    If it hasn't been left too long, you could strim/brush cut the top, and then rotovate the rest, though you will need to keep on top of any weeds that show themselves, this is going to be the quickest way, but you will have to do the ongoing weed control (you could even use weed control fabric on areas you will not be working on straight away).

                    Do you have any pics, or more info on the plot ie how long it has been left ?
                     
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                      Bit and Hold tactics. Target an area you can cope with and cover everything else with black plastic sheet until you are ready to tackle it. It doesn't matter how small the area you target is
                      Strim the area and dig it and pull out as many roots as possible as you turn the soil over.
                      The resident weeds will not take kindly to your interfering and will try to re-populate the area you've cultivated straight away. To reduce their impact plant sturdy fast establishing crops like potatoes (the earthing up process will knock the weeds back too) or plant crops you've started in pots at home as these too should shoot away ahead of the weeds.
                      Avoid tilling an area and planting seeds as the weeds will be growing up and between them giving you a tough time.
                      When you've got one area dug and planted and under control, peel back the plastic and target another area
                      To sum up
                      Cover everything to kill growth
                      Pick an area to cultivate
                      Dig, fork and prepare
                      Plant strong vigourous crops
                      Move on
                       
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                        If you still intend growing mainly fruit, get around £20's worth of 1m wide Mypex (or perhaps some old carpet from a skip, but it will need replacing) and use it to make paths around beds bordered with pallet slats and mulched around the plants with wetted newpaper/cardboard, perhaps leaving one bed for other stuff, no digging/weeding apart from immediately around the bushes, no strimming, no rotavating, no constant maintenance. Job done apart from slowly tackling that single bed.

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                        Or leave 2 beds and grow plants through mulch in one and exposed soil in the other.

                        I've used the above method for creating Loganberry and Blackcurrant beds on neglected plots. The fruit bushes can have rotted manure applied when available/required on top of the paper mulch.

                        P.S. Ignore those horizontal lines across the beds.
                         
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                          I'm used to hard work my garden itself was pretty hard graft. I don't have any pictures of any plots as they were all gone. I did take a few pictures of plots neglected plots I was told by fellow allotment holders (who were on site today) that may be available and they do seem really overgrown with brambles and mostly grass.

                          Some of the allotment holders were insistent that the best method was to weed killer the lot but it seems to be frowned upon on the internet. Why is that? They also didn't really approve of black membrane saying that it didn't really kill the weeds at all.

                          My intentions were to rent half a plot and fill it with all fruit putting membrane underneath the plants to restrict the weeds. But having read through the rules of the allotment I came across this rule "the allotment shall not have more than one quarter of it allocated to permanent fruit crops" . Does anyone else have rules like this on their allotment too?

                          Are fruit bushes classed as permanent or do they just mean trees
                           
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