Can redoing a garden release diseases?

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  1. Dips

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    My neighbours dug up all of their garden in May and they removed everything apart from half of our adjoining hedge

    Since this first soil disturbance my apple tree and pear tree leaves ended up going brown and a few other plants leaves started to go a bit weird

    The rest of the hedge was removed last week and a fence put up and now my honeysuckles leaves have started to go brown and its not looking good at all

    Could all these issues with the plants which I never had last year could be because of all the major soil disturbance going on next door?

    Also what can i do about it?
     
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    Oh i forgot to add should i worry that they buried loads of asbestos in the garden as well and will this affect plants?
     
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    They did what? For real?:yikes:

    If you believe they've buried asbestos, I would be talking to the council or possibly even the police.

    But as for your plants getting sick after they've blitzed their garden, I can't see the soil disturbance causing any problem, unless they disturbed the roots of your plants. It does seem a bit suspect though, so I'd be wondering if they sprayed everything before digging it all over, and if that spray might have been glyphosate, and may have drifted.
     
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      Thank you for the reply.

      They sprayed something the other week to kill a chocolate vine that has been growing out of control for years because no one could get to it before

      I dont know if they sprayed anything else any other time

      He told me he was burying the asbestos in the garden cause it cost too much for someone else to dispose of and his workman said it was fine

      It is starting to worry me but the lawn is now down and i would feel bad reporting it and causing a problem

      Thats silly isnt it
       
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      It will cause a problem years later when he's sold the house and some young family has bought it, and they decide to dig over some of the garden to make a new veggy patch or to sink a sand pit for the kids, and the spade goes straight through the asbestos and all the dust gets flicked up into the air while the kids are gathered round, obliviously inhaling it, as they hunt for wiggle worms.
       
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        How close are the trees to the soil disturbance, Dips, as it's possible they damaged some roots

        In answer to your statement that your neighbours have buried "loads" of Asbestos in their garden it's against the law and they could be heavily fined and even jailed

        As per: "CONTROL OF ASBESTOS REGULATIONS 2012 -HSE
        2.2. One of the new requirements under these regulations is "Where hazardous waste is produced at or removed from, any premises other than exempt premises, the premises must be notified to the Environment Agency". This means that any business producing hazardous waste has a legal duty to register with the Environment agency any premises where hazardous waste is produced. Each premises registered will be given a unique registration number - known as a 'premises code'. This new regulation does not fully apply to householders, see para 5

        2.3. Premises exempt from notification, providing they produce less than 500kg in any 12 month period are:
        2.3.1. Offices to the extent that the hazardous waste arises from the use of the premises as an office,
        2.3.2. shops to the extent that the hazardous waste arises from the use of the premises as a shop,
        2.3.3. agriculture premises, to the extent that the hazardous waste arises from the
        use of the premises for agriculture,
        2.3.4. If any of the above produce more than 500kg in any 12 months then they are no longer exempt, but have to notify the Environment Agency

        2.4. The only other time that notification is not required for the premises that produce the waste is where a contractor removing the ACW has registered his main address and he then runs a mobile service. He does not have to notify the Environment Agency that he runs a mobile service. There are two restrictions to this rule.
        2.4.1. The contractor must not own or occupy the addresses from which he is removing the ACW
        2.4.2. He does not remove more than 500kg of ACW in any 12 month period from the non notified premises.

        2.5. Contractors who regularly work with ACMs on domestic or agricultural buildings may find it worthwhile to be registered so that they do not have to register each site from where they remove ACMs. There is though the 500kg maximum in any 12 month period to be considered.
        2.5.1. 500 kg equates to approximately 31 square meters of 6” roof sheeting, so a single and double domestic garage roof will be than 500 kg, but if the walls of a double garage are ACMs as well then it is likely to be above 500 kg. Almost every agricultural barn will be above 500kg.
        2.5.2. For asbestos cement slates 500kg is approximately 25 square meters of roof, so most house roofs of asbestos cement slates will be above the 500kg limit.
        2.5.3. So registration is probably only worth while for plumbers and other contractors who are only dealing with small quantities of waste.

        2.6. Registration can be carried out by phone on 08708 502858 at a cost of £23.00, on the internet at
        https://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/apps/hazwaste/registrationwelcome.jsp
        at cost of £18.00 or by post at a cost of £28.00.

        3. Offices or shops ACW.

        3.1. The waste produced must be consigned as soon as possible by a registered waste carrier to a dump licensed to take ACW.

        3.2. There is no need to notify the environment agency as long as:
        3.2.1. the ACW arises from the use of the premises as an office or shop, i.e. it was part of the construction of the building or its services and is being removed in a safe manner and
        3.2.2. less than 500kg is removed in any 12 month period.

        3.3. Where more than 500kg is produced in any 12 month period, then the Environment Agency must be notified. See 2.6

        4. Agricultural ACW
         
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          They said they buried it really deep they did have a digger to do it so i dont think standard digging would hit it. I dunno tho

          Is it legal or illegal to do it tho and will it contaminate water at all


          I googled and got so many different answers that all contradicted each other so if someone knows for definite that would be great
           
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          My trees havent been planted out yet thankfully they are in big pots and have dwarf root stock

          The asbestos that got buried was from the garage roof and other outbuildings but there was loads of just random strips of it in the garden anyway that were surrounding where there greenhouse was and edging bedding. Was very weird
           
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            Are we certain it is asbestos? There is a material that looks a lot like it, and is still used in the form as corrugated sheets on roofs sometimes.
             
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              I doubt they got it tested as that would alert people too it. The sheets found in the garden were straight and cant remember what the shed roof was like

              Work man in my garden would tell me that was asbestos and they seem pretty certain it was
               
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              If it is Asbestos they have to notify the HSE and gain permission which would be unlikely to be given for a domestic garden and they would have been told to take it to a designated area!!:coffee:
               
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                Very. Sod their lawn, if you're sure then it's time to snitch!
                 
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                  Hi Dips, I'm really sorry you have found yourself in this situation, thanks to the complete irresponsibility of your neighbour.

                  Let me give you a scenario - You have decided to create a garden pond so, on a sunny fine day you get to work. Just as you think you have dug deep enough, you strike some debris which could puncture your pond lining. So, you put a bit more effort in and dig away at the "stuff" with your shovel, kicking up dust and muck as you go.....

                  There are very good reasons that legislation is in place and your neighbour is a complete **** to allow this to happen and to damage your own plants in the process.
                   
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                    Hi Dips,

                    You obviously have some conversations with your neighbour. Have you pointed out what's happened to your garden? You could mention that you're going to get someone in to see if they can give you advice about your garden and what has caused your loss of plants, what/how to replace etc. he won't be surprised then if someone comes asking questions and you've only looked after your own.

                    He might tell you what, if any, chemicals he's used.
                     
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                      And then again, knowing he's done something illegal, could be fined, he might not:dunno::heehee:
                       
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