Recommend me a rose for an arch please.

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    Dappled shade at some points in the day as it's behind a llama. (!) yellow Kerria japonica to the right and lilac to the left. I want a repeat flowering rose for the left hand side. Also next to it is a small yellow jasmine. Soil is very good, (well drained) pretty much everything seems to thrive. Garden is east facing but this area is towards the back. Rose is to be planted behind the llama in the picture, unless you think this is a waste of time as won't really be seen until you walk up to it? Not really keen on dark red as don't think it will stand out. Also I love striped roses and ones with blue tinges to them. Thanks in advance!

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      Perhaps it would be better to plant the rose on the right and train it over the top to the left? Hmmmm.
       
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      Sorry to disagree CharlieBot but I favour your first thought to plant it behind the Llama. Climbing roses tend to have bare stems at the bottom and planting on the left behind the Llama would hide that. :)

      Roses with blue will disappear colour wise into the greenery behind, I would pick something brighter. You have yellow Kerria and Jasmine so perhaps something to contrast those, possibly shades of orange like peach or apricot. White perhaps or a red/yellow stripe. I'm not up on the colours of climbers as I haven't got any in this present garden.
       
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        How about warm welcome?
         
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          Buff Beauty is a vigorous climber - mine faces North,
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            Good evening Charliebot warm welcome is a miniature climber;)

            Just a couple that spring to mind:smile:

            Ghislaine De Feligonde


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              Thank you very much. Would like whichever has the best disease resistance as suffered with a bit of black spot this year.
              Also wondering about reines des violettes...nearly bought a David Austen one in flower at gardeners world live. It was a very pale looking purple but the 2 blooms were quite mature. On the internet it looks much darker in colour? Could the show one have been wrongly labelled? It wasn't on the David Austen stall btw.
               
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              It would be very rare if it was,IMHO I would say no:smile:
               
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              Yayy I hit myself a Ghislaine De Feligonde and iceberg climber today...both David Austen and both half price! They had a buff beauty too but it wasn't a David Austen and I'm not sure if cheaper brands are any good.

              Anyway, super happy, one rose for each of my arches and next year's colours should be even better. :-D
               
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                  Long time since I looked in at GC but I find myself on a train to Glasgow to judge rose trials in Tollcross Park and thought I'd check in.
                  Climbing roses?
                  Very emotional subject. My advise (as always ) is to buy modern varieties. Some of the varieties quoted above will bring a world of pain (and desease ) You will most likely end up spending more money on chemicals than you did on the rose itself.
                  Warm Welcome was mentioned and that is a good choice. It's part of a range of 'Patio Climbers' bred by Chris Warner all very healthy and will serve you very well.
                  Don't wish to be picky CharlieBot but Ghislain and Iceberg are not Austin roses or did you mean that you bought them from Austin? Either way, I grow them both and they both need a lot of attention to keep the black spot and mildew under control. There are some good new varieties on the market but best to check out specialist rose nurseries that sell roses from a variety of breeders (including Austins) Try for example C and K Jones from Tarvin in Chester or Style Roses from Wisbech. Both sell mail order bareroot roses from November onwards. Hope that helps?
                   
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                    Good afternoon Mondo have to say that I don't totally agree with you on the above quote my friend;) but its good to hear from you ,your posts are always interesting, informative and friendly :smile::blue thumb:enjoy your day in Glasgow and stay safe:smile:
                     
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                      While I think there are some grounds for your advice, Mondo, it is possibly too pessimistic. I think that a Gardener who buys only modern roses is missing out on a great number of well established old roses that have stood the test of time which are still loved. revered. and sold by many commercial rose growers. Yes, modern roses are less prone to diseases but in a warm humid year they too can suffer, so there is no complete answer.
                      I have a mixture of 22 old and modern shrub and climber roses and have found that this year has been a problem for not just the old roses but for the modern "disease resistant" roses as well, despite my early and continued spraying of fungicide. So while modern roses may be more "disease resistant" they are not totally so. As Gardeners we know that our garden is never perfect, that some disease or pest is damaging some plant or other, [normally the plant we treasure:gaah:] but we use whatever resources we have to defeat them as normal Gardeners do............and when we do it's............:partytime::yes::hapydancsmil:.
                      To be honest I've never bought a rose, shrub or climber, by it's marketed reputation, {either of the Rose or the Grower]. Over the years when I've known I wanted a rose, or roses, for a certain location or purpose with the garden I've done a bit of research on a likely rose as most people do. But I like a rose to have several qualities [a] Scent, repeat flowering [c] and obviously the shape and colour of the flower, and I will always try to see as many roses of the type I'm looking for in flower as I can before choosing.
                      But being Human and fallible I will see a rose and fall in love with it and know "it's the One" before I even know what it is or whether it's an "old" rose or a "modern" one!!, so my research and pre-decided ideas go out of the window:dunno::heehee: So the fact that it might be an "old" rose less disease resistant doesn't bother me as I will do my best to ensure it's healthy and flowering well over the following years. I don't always succeed as we all have bad years and good years [me and the plants!:lolpt::heehee:] but isn't that what gardening is about??....striving to get your paradise garden with, as always, a mixture of success :yes: and failure:gaah::cry3:
                      My point being that, yes, we would like to make things easier for ourselves as Gardeners but real gardening is one of success and failure. So by just recommending only buying "Modern" roses on the basis that they are more "disease resistant" is denying new and :old: Gardeners of the beauty and strengths of the many "Old", established, time proven magnificent roses out there. After that, you and your love of roses will sort out the gardening problems!!
                       
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                        I buy Roses because I just love them:whistle:

                        Mondo just as long as people keep buying Roses the reason is unimportant and they have still got freedom of choice my friend;)

                        Good afternoon Armandll my friend we will have to excuse our friend Mondo,I think he is the Billy Graham of the Rose world with his modern Rose Gospel :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
                         
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                          Hi Woo, well I don't disagree completely with Mondo's assessment of Modern roses being bred for increased disease resistance and possibly more trouble free. I do, however, disagree with advising gardeners to only buy Modern roses and ignore the Old roses, which is literally writing them off. We know that there are such a variety of choice, gorgeously scented and flowering "Old" roses that deserve their reputation of being much loved and revered and will in fact be even more beautiful than their modern siblings. It would be shame if a new Gardener, when on getting advice on buying roses was told to ignore the Old roses because they were too much trouble, disease ridden, when in fact they wouldn't have survived so long in gardens and being sold by commercial growers if that were true and they missed the world of some of the greatest roses they could ever see or buy.
                          I would also have problems accepting a " rose purist" view of not buying Modern roses for whatever reason expressed. Modern or Old??? I hope Gardeners will look at all roses and let their hearts:wub2: decide.
                           
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