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  1. Paul Benson

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    I can also recommend A Whiter Shade Of Pale. Although really a white rose, it has a light pink centre that fades, plus a fabulous scent The blooms also stand up perfectly to rain.

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    Also recommend Korresia. It is a lovely floribunda rose with soft yellow blooms the size of a hybrid tea. Highly scented.

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      Good morning Paul and welcome to the Rose Forum:smile:
       
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      Good morning Paul,
      I have Korresia too. A truly lovely rose, very healthy and a "good doer" - mine has bloomed 3 times this year and new buds are forming again,
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        Thanks for the welcome Wiseowl.

        I wonder if anyone has come across HT rose, Thinking Of You. This is described by all the well known rose nurseries and stockists as having a 'good fruity fragrance'. Well I planted a bare-root one last winter, and it's done well. There are plenty of blood red blooms, and the bush looks healthy. However none of the blooms have any detectable scent. I've invited other people to sniff them and they all agree. It is scentless. Here's a not very good photo to give some idea of what it looks like.

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          Hoping this isn't too silly a question but do some roses not give off a scent in their first year but do in subsequent years? As one of mine (unknown as probably wrongly labelled when bought) has a lovely fragrance this year but most definitely didn't last year.
           
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            Lovely roses Paul! :dbgrtmb:

            Eve.....I've not come across that before, perhaps wiseowl can give us an answer. :)
             
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            Good morning Paul:smile: There are a number of very volatile components to Rose scents which must have the correct humidity and temperatures to volatilize properly so we can detect them. It's possible, but unlikely, that a nutrient deficiency might alter the components the flower produces, but it is significantly more likely the temperatures, humidity and air flow are the culprits. Too windy and the scents evaporate more quickly and blow away. Too dry and they evaporate too quickly. Too hot and they evaporate too quickly. Too cold and/or wet and they may not perceivably express themselves at all.
            I think if you carefully examine all the variables, you'll find some other change between the smelliest time last year and what the conditions are right now when you can't perceive the scents as well as you remember smelling them:smile:
             
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              Good evening I have been researching the above question a little:smile:


              The seven main rose scents are rose (or damask), nasturtium, orris (which is similar to violets), violets, apple, clove, and lemon (the fruit, not the blossoms). Orris is a compound used to fix or preserve odors. Then there are 26 other less common odors you may smell in roses. These include such diverse ones as honeysuckle, moss, hyacinth, honey, wine, marigold, peppers, parsley, and fruits such as raspberry.

              Scent in roses, depending on which one, comes from one or more of over 300 chemical compounds. Yet in rose oil, only four make up less than one percent but produce over 90 percent of the fragrance.

              If you think rose scent is getting complicated, consider how we smell. These chemicals evaporate and our nose receptors pick up the volatile compounds. Each of these evaporate at a different rate, which means that rose fragrance will change over time. For example, clove evaporates 36 times more slowly than citrus, so once you pick up a citrus scent it can disappear with the clove scent appearing later.

              Scent not only changes over time, but with time of day. Early morning is when scents are strongest, the oils most powerful, and so when roses are harvested for rose oil. Rose scent may be more powerful with the first blooms of summer. Rose scent even can change from outdoors to indoors. Just the cutting can change the chemical releases that we smell, so a rose not very fragrant outdoors may be quite scented once in a vase inside.

              The other fact to keep in mind is that scent in flowers, including roses, is not meant by nature for us but rather for the pollinators of the flowers. Scents in flowers are signals to those pollinators such as some bees to come visit the flowers, and are often smelled before they see the flowers. Flowers release scent when they are ready to be pollinated, which in roses often translates to a more powerful scent when flowers are half open.

              In general, roses with the best scents are darker colors, have more petals, and have thick or velvety petals. Red and pink roses often smell like what we term “rose”. White and yellows often smell of violets, nasturtium, and lemon. Orange roses often smell of fruits, violets, nasturtium, and clove.
               
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                Made good reading Woo...:thumbsup:
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                  Hmmm, I'll be thinking about the perfume in relation to the colour more now, thanks Woo. :)
                   
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                    I'm not sure I can agree with that statement, Wiseowl. My knowledge of roses is mainly limited to bush roses and modern climbers. And though it's true that many popular white rose varieties have little or no scent (Iceberg being typical), quite a few have very good ones, eg Ice Cream, Silver Anniversary, Margaret Merril, Pope Paul II, Whiter Shade Of Pale, etc.

                    On the other the reds which many people assume would be highly scented turn out to have little or no fragrance IMO, eg Ingrid Bergman, Dublin Bay, Ruby Wedding, Danse De Feu and one I discussed earlier, Thinking Of You even though its breeder lists it as fragrant. There are many more I could list. However where the variety uses the word 'fragrant/ce' in its name then you are pretty well on safe ground there, eg Velvet Fragrance, Fragrant Cloud are superb fragrant reds. Alec's Red is another good one,,,,and then there is Deep Secret, but that one I've found balls up badly in the rain.
                     
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                    Good evening Paul well you don't have to agree my friend,I was just answering a question to the best of my ability with the practical and first hand knowledge I have gained over a lifetime with Roses,Gardening is all about different opinions and personal views,and many generalizations are made:smile: ans I did say in general;)

                     
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                    I can't agree with you on the above quote, there's nothing wrong with the perfume of my 'Iceberg' rose! :)
                     
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                      Good morning just thought I would add this.and it has happened to a lot of Roses:smile:

                      Around 2002 the “New” Iceberg rose was introduced, again from Kordes Roses of Germany by Tim Hermann Kordes. This version of the Iceberg rose was considered a florist’s rose and hybrid tea rose, but still a beautiful white rose. The fragrance on new Iceberg roses is considered to be mild when compared to the original.This could be another explanation as to why some roses seem to have less scent than another with the same name:smile:
                       
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                        @maggiev, any idea when this happened?

                        http://www.brownturnerross.com/fryers-garden-centre-completes-deal/

                        I got a bit of a shock when I tried to use the link I have for Fryers - I thought they had gone bust!
                         
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