Illegal immigrants

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    Jihad 'John' has an English accent so he too has been exposed to tolerance and fairness but so far he has murdered 2 people, apparently he was able to 'reconcile' this!!!!!!!

    I am never more serious, before this Country was overrun with immigrants British society didn't need any 'shoring up' we managed very well thank you it is only the added burden of all these people that is causing all the problems.

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      Just to say the biggest threat to our community has been the fallout from the banking crisis and Dr Shipman.
       
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          Lots of things to be concerned about - National Debt is sky high; all we ever seem to do is, sometimes, reduce the Deficit (that's not reducing the Debt, its just reducing the amount by which the Debt increases compared to last year) :sad:

          Interest payments on the National Debt are something like £2 per day for every man woman and child in the UK (save that and we could double the Defence budget, or add a half to Education or 1/3rd to Health - highly significant to my way of thinking) :sad:

          I also think we need to do more to prepare for conventional energy sources running out ...
           
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            How can you see a hugely skilled and educated surgeon as " a problem"? When his parents or grandparents came they would have probably have been seen as uneducated dependants on British society but look where they ended up! Or would you turn down expert health care because it wasn't provided by a true Brit, whatever that is?
             
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              I question that. I have personally witnessed an Asian friend being called a Paki on a regular basis (the last time was last year when we went to look at a car he was interested in buying and the seller just looked at him and said "I don't deal with Pakis"). Also, my Bangladeshi mates son was applying for jobs and not even getting responses. I was living next door to them at the time and suggested he applied as himself and using an English sounding name and my address, but with the same CV and results/qualifications. His alter ego got interviews, his real self saw no change in his fortunes. I can understand why these English youths may feel alienated.

              My own version would be discrete and permanent for the true animals such as Jihad John.

              With you 100% there.

              He will also have been exposed to intolerance, discrimination and sick twisted individuals who will twist the words of the Quran to suit their murderous intentions. He is however too sick a person to receive any sympathy (the zealots must have thought that it was christmas when they first met him and set about the process of radicalising him) and would quietly receive quick and ultimate justice before he even left the caliphate if it was my call.
               
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              Jihads : nobody ever mentions TREASON English law it is still on the statue book.
               
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                Whichever way you twist it there are too many people in this Country and unfortunately the vast amount do not turn into hugely skilled surgeons who are contributing, they breed like rabbits and live off the State.

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                  Good evening all,I will leave this discussion with you,when its all been sorted out,can someone give me a call ,I'll be at the top of the garden,under the apple tree with my glass of Scottish Irn-Bru;):whistle:
                   
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                    Make sure you don't turn your head 180 degrees so that you can pretend you can't hear us, OK? :)
                     
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                      Simply put...it's down to numbers. Income generated by those who work- of whatever ethnicity - will not be able to sustain an ever increasing population - something will have to give. The balance between those who generate income and those who draw upon that income has shifted in recent years. Increase in taxes or reduction in benefits....looks like were going down the reduction in benefits route.
                       
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                        Increases in GDP is an alternative way.

                        Everyone in work, rather than recession and high unemployment, means more tax revenue - even if tax percentage is lower, so you can still increase spending on Benefits.

                        This is not just Income tax, ergo high employment rates mean more people spending disposable income, companies prospering, more VAT, more Corporation Tax (with some notable exceptions :sad:), higher Dividends for shareholders - and they spend that on something - more builders, plumbers et al. paid Cash for jobs - which they spend locally short circuiting the highly inefficient Tax and Spend system (so the Black Economy is a form of Quantitative Easing :heehee:) - and so on.
                         
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                          Good evening kristen no your alright actually its 270 degrees but then I have more neck than most people:heehee::smile::smile:
                           
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                            I'll deal with the illegals at the end, sticking with the legals to start with.
                            Yes, and no. We are incredibly densely populated, but we have a crisis that comes from the population living longer. We need more people working to pay for this and far easier to import literate and frequently skilled people in their 20/30's than have to spend money educating them from an infant age.

                            No they don't................

                            ................but they do contribute.

                            The vast majority of legals here are working. Doing crap jobs for lousy money.
                            They also rarely breed like rabbits. It is the career benefit couples and single mothers who breed like rabbits. These are the people that never have and never will hold a job down. It is their chosen lifestyle and I would ship one of them out for every legal that comes here to work.

                            As far as illegals living off the state goes, the only ones that are will be the ones in detention centres waiting for their case review or to be returned. The others are still under the radar and working illegally.
                             
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                            • pete

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                              I dont think anyone does see a hugely skilled surgeon as a problem, but I do doubt that many of them are jumping onto the axles of lorries in Calais right now.

                              Its true the NHS does rely on mostly foreign workers and its a scandal.

                              Where do the white doctors go or at least ones that I can understand?

                              And how did we get in this situation?
                               
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