Illegal immigrants

Simple - people have started living longer than was budgeted for and we allowed the feckless lowlifes who were born and raised here to continue to breed. Sorry, but that's how I feel.
We have a shortage of skilled (or at least trainable) labour. I have a customer who's involved in the design and manufacture of specialist items for mass production and the aerospace industry. This man only buys British if possible and supports local businesses wherever he can. But a few years ago he threw in the towel and stopped employing British graduates and started looking to Eastern Europe instead. Not to save money but so as to find the skills he needed. Including a work ethic.

 

And one of the punishments for it is still lawful...

 

It hasn't been since 1998 actually. Which in theory would have been a year too late to save Diana who technically could have been found guilty of treason as a result of her adultery whilst married to the heir to the throne!

 

Yes but where and when did it all go wrong, we have always had spongers.

But could this be a problem with education, not just in school but at home also.

Everyone seems to want to go to Uni, a lot seem to be just putting off that day when they have to start work, and then there is the gap year.
You could say that jobs are not available, they are, but if you are over qualified but lacking experience you wont get a chance, or wont want the chance.

I left school at 15 on the Thursday and started work on the Monday, I hated it, it was mundane, boring and the people were not great, but it taught me a lot, in more ways than one.

 

Nail on the head Pete!

And too many of them to do what I term non degrees.

 

When the most popular boys name in ENGLAND is Mohammed it must tell you something!!!!

Val

 

There seems to be a bit of a theme brewing of tarring everyone with the same brush.

Not all immigrants, illegal or otherwise, are jihadists. Not all of them would do us harm. The country is not being overrun. Yes there are little pockets of problems in some city areas, but that's not the norm.

They are mostly not here for the benefits. Many immigrants do the jobs that our British youth are too lazy to do.

We must also remember that Britain created the problem in many cases. As we relinquished various bits of the empire, leaving a power vacuum, many areas became trouble spots. India and Pakistan spring to mind, as does Zimbabwe. More recently, we followed the yanks into Iraq and Afghanistan, creating a power vacuum in those places too. We just keep meddling, stirring things up, and then screaming "CLOSE THE DOORS" when people inevitably start trying to get out of the mess that half the time we either created or contributed towards.

We should also remember that many Brits make an immigration problem in other parts of the world. How many patches of beautiful Mediterranean coast line have been turned into faceless ex-pat colonies? The problem in Spain has become so bad that a few years ago the government there changed the law to allow them to be torn down. Wealthy Brits start flashing their cash and suddenly actual local people who were born and raised there can't afford to live there any more.

I'm not saying that we should have an open door policy and just let anyone and everyone in. Of course we should have better control than we've seen in recent years. But lets not start getting all paranoid and bigoted about it all. Or at least if we're going, lets make sure our paranoia and bigotry has some basis in fact and isn't just a bit of distaste that someone of the wrong colour was seen in the local M&S.

 

Clue, think back 30yrs?

If you heard a foreign language in M&S it was a Germany lorry driver buying stuff to take back home.
Nowdays where I live you hear all kinds of languages, and these people are living here.
And its got more and more, even feel like an interloper at the local shops sometimes.

Cant help it, I just dont like feeling like a foreigner in a place I've lived for 55yrs.

 

Your source being? Sounds like something that UKIP or the extreme right of the tory party would make up.


http://www.ukbabynames.com/boys/top

Based on official UK statistics. Mohammed is only the second most popular name for a muslim boy at (no.23). Muhammad is the most popular name for a Muslim boy at no.15.
It's complicated (it was explained to me), but Muhammad (and the many derivatives including Mohammed) approximately translates to "praise". So that explains its popularity amongst Muslims.

 

That's partly why we left when we did. We were increasingly feeling like second-class citizens in what we had thought was our country! We were told quite emphatically by the local council that multiculturism was only of benefit to the community, but in our experience, it turned a small, quiet market town into a violent, unpleasant alien hell. Originally, there was a strong asian presence with an entire 'quarter' of the town inhabited by Indians and Pakistanis. They worked hard, ensured that their children were well-educated and well-behaved, built and paid for their own temple No problem! Unfortunately, the rot set in with the arrival of less 'work-oriented' immigrants and then the sheer numbers of Eastern european immigrants
Won't be coming back!

 

Kind of proves a point though dont it?

Wonder where that name would have been on the list, in all its forms, 10 yrs ago?

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...ost-popular-name-for-baby-boys-in-London.html

OK this was 5 years ago but it certainly showed the way things were going.

 

Well said!!!!!! and this is how it is all over England now, people are just silently tolerating them because they have no other choice!!

 

Think back 30 years. Everyone was desperately skint then, and nothing to do with immigration because there wasn't much of it then. We talk about threats to the UK from outsiders, yet 30 years ago things were so bad here there were regular riots. Some even describe it as war. Think back 30 years. If you were on holiday in Spain, everything was Spanish. You had to gesture to make yourself understood, and you'd get caught out around lunch time when everything unexpectedly closed for 3 hours. Now its just like Blackpool but with more sunshine.

 

Oh - London! As I said, the name pool for Muslim names is rather small compared to the English name pool as they still attach an importance to the meaning. So it is in no way an indication of the birth rate. And to achieve top spot they had to lump all the derivatives of Muhammad together!