Scottish Independance

No, sadly it will never be that warm here.

 

Where's @Jack McHammocklashing 's input on all this?

 

Where's Jack - not seen him for ages,
Jenny

 

Apparently he's staying underwater till the whole thing is sorted out. Anyone making a bid for a Nuclear submarine?

Currently working on GC's own Nuclear Deterrent, it involves a seed bomb.

 

What they will gain, is the lack of EU regulations that are currently driving us all up the wall!

Will this also apply to the Scots living in England?

 

Maybe in the short term. Without any money though they will have to form a currency union with someone. We're not letting them so long term it will have to be the Euro, then they will be completely in the hands of Brussels, more so than is currently the case.

I don't know. The Scots about to vote on Thurday don't know either. Nobody knows. Nobody knows what they are voting for. They can't do, because even the man leading the Yes campaign doesn't know. He is relying on a mix of denial, lies and the notion that it is ok to decide what people are voting for AFTER they have voted.

Lets put it another way. People are blinded by the romantic notion of 'independence'. But take that out of the equation and lets imagine its just a general election. There's a new party on the block, lets call them, I don't know, the UK National Party. Their campaign tag line is "Vote for us, then if we win, we'll decide how your life will be affected later". How many people would vote for them?

 

That's what i've been saying all along.

The Scots living in England will suddenly be non EU migrants with no right of abode in England or the right to work here.

 

Hell, no. I don't want to be a foreigner in my own country. I was born British (matter of fact not nationalism) and Scottishness is an imposition. All that we've worked for since the enlightenment and age of reason, our great institutions would be in a 'foreign' country. The protections offered abroad by the FCO would be lost.
I'd rather Holyrood was dissolved, the Scottish Office was dissolved and governance was on a constituency by constituency basis. One legal system, one education system. I tire of reading figures in the broadsheets and all the counties of E&W are listed then it says Scottish figures are separate or it homogenises our counties into Scotlandshire. That's because of the Scottish Office, then Holyrood.

West coast and east coast are two different worlds - chalk and cheese. We have more in common with the south here in the east coast than with the west coast, more connection with London our capital than the so-called capital of so-called Scotland. Scotland a nation, my arse. If people don't like how they are represented in Westminster than they should hold their MP to account or stop electing representative who go to Westminster Palace for a heat like a tramp to a local library.

Economically, there isn't much of a manufacturing sector to speak of - they couldn't even pay some heavily-subsidised large computer and telecom equipment manufacturers to stay.
Sure, whisky is a relatively large export but it is massively automated these days and

In my city there is a large oil industry, despite that there are huge estates living in poverty. That isn't government's fault, the industry itself expects candidates to pay for their own training, (including safety training frevinsake) while they are sitting on billions of cash assets evern before recoverable reserves are taken into account. They are not easy to get to for people who don't drive. Building a new nation on the back of one industry is a terrible idea.

Shipbuilding is gone, government didn't cause that, belligerent trade unions, globalisation, flexible workforces who became involved in eastern quality philosophies ensured the Clyde shipyards wouldn't all survive.


I'd rather have 60 million people backing my pension than 5 million. The NHS would no longer be the NHS if we are no longer in the nation and our population wouldn't be able to support it with a 5m population, dwindling industry, an aging population with disproportionate chronic disease.

I don't think Salmond expected to get *his* referendum, he's just been making up 'plans' ad lib. I hate that arrogant egotistic man so much now for putting those around me (who also hate him) in such a position.

I'd rather be down south in should it all go pear shaped and the rabble-rousers get their Braveheart -inspired wish. Better climate, better growing, nearer London.

 

Let me get this straight C1: They want independence? And they want to governed by Brussels?

 

He's been shopping on ebay

 

Any party with Nationalist in their name scares me a lot

 

I've changed my vote. I now hope Scotland votes Yes on Thursday. Here's why.

For all the reasons pointed out so far, Scotland will struggle if it breaks away from the rest of the UK. Now I don't want the Scottish people to suffer, but I don't want the north of England to suffer either. Our incompetent government, in blind panic, have offered Scotland the earth of they stay in the UK. That presumably means more money coming from central government going to Scotland.

That in itself does not sound unreasonable, but what will happen is that Westminister will enter into some legally binding contract to give more money to Scotland. Westminister will always give preference to South East England, and there is not going to be more money overall, so someone has to lose out. That 'someone' will be Northern England and probably the South West and Wales.

Scotland voting No will also mean that DC, possibly the most irritating PM in the history of humankind, will go down in history as the man who saved the union.