Non Equi Equinox ?

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  1. HarryS

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    As today is the Autumn equinox , I thought sunrise to sunset would be 12 hours give or take a minute or two. I know first light is about 30 mins before sunrise and dusk is 30 mins after sunset.
    Looking at my weather site which shows sunrise and sunset times for Sept 22nd in the bottom right of the screen dump below. We have a 19 minutes difference . Why ?
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    Leap years, we'm half way through. Earth takes 365 days and a quarter to go round the sun, we have to re set every 4 years to keep it right by adding an extra day.

    Makes things go out of kilter.
     
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    The equinox is a bit more technical than simply day and night being the same length. Its also a bit more technical than I'm sure I fully understand, but it is actually an instant in time, not a full day. The equinoxes happen at the moment the sun is at a certain exact angle relative to the earth. I'll bet money on @Zigs having a better explanation than I can do.

    EDIT: There see, Zigs has already answered in the time it took me to write my attempt:)
     
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      Harry, have a look at this http://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/greenland/nuuk

      Try a few places around the world.
      The few I have tried are all coming out a few minutes above 12 hours.

      I'm guessing its down to averages, nobody told the world it was out of step with our calculations.
       
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      Does the fact that we change our clocks by an hour twice a year make any difference?
       
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      The Vernal Equinox, more commonly referred to as the Spring Equinox,
      occurs March 20 this year. On this day, the noontime sun is shining
      directly on the equator of the earth, while at the North Pole the sun peaks
      above the horizon for the first time in 6 months1
      . As the name “equinox”
      implies, every place on the planet should observe 12 hours of daylight and
      12 hours of night, but as the table below shows, this isn’t exactly the case
      (Table 1).
      Location Sunrise Sunset Difference
      Fort Dodge 7:20 AM 7:29 PM +9 minutes
      Mason City 7:17 AM 7:25 PM +8 minutes
      Waterloo 7:13 AM 7:21 PM +8 minutes
      Des Moines 7:18 AM 7:26 PM +8 minutes
      Creston 7:21 AM 7:29 PM +8 minutes
      Ottumwa 7:14 AM 7:22 PM +8 minutes
      Table 1: The table able above shows the sunrise and sunset times (CDT) for various sites
      across Iowa2. The yellow column on the end shows the difference between sunset and sunrise,
      with positive values indicating more daylight.
      Why isn’t here exactly a 12 hour difference between sunset and sunrise?
      There are two reasons that explain the discrepancy. The first is a result of
      how “sunrise” and “sunset” are defined. According to the American
      Meteorological Society, sunrise occurs with the first appearance of the sun
      on the eastern horizon, and sunset occurs with the last disappearance
      below the western horizon. However, the equinox uses the center point of
      the sun. Therefore, the 3 or 4 minutes difference between the first sliver of
      sun and the center point at sunrise, and the last sliver of sun and the center
      point at sunset is one part of the reason why there is a few minutes more of
      sunlight during the Spring Equinox (Figure 1).
      The second reason is because as sunlight enters the atmosphere, it
      refracts, or bends slightly. Therefore even though the sun is actually below
      a person’s line of site, the rays bend and the observer can actually see the
      sun on the horizon before it rises, or after it sets
       
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          As an aside, I only learnt this year that we actually see the Sunrise about two minutes before the Sun actually shows above the horizon and the same applies to the Sunset, we still see it for around 2 minutes after it has disappeared below the horizon. Why?, all due to the bending of light in the atmosphere.:coffee::snork:
           
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          • Phil A

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            No :)

            Before we worked out planetary rotation and stuff, the calendar got so out of kilter that Christmas was happening in the middle of summer in medieval times :doh:
             
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              I never change my Clocks:dunno::nonofinger: I either change the batteries or wind them up:coffee::snork:
               
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                Which reminds me......I still haven't been to the jewellers for three replacement batteries! :doh:
                 
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                  Still can't get my head round it all:rolleyespink:

                  Weathers looking good this week any 'ow @HarryS :thumbsup:
                   
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                    Well found Pete , now that explains it perfectly to me ! :dbgrtmb:
                    Also show the actual equal day/night date for your latitude . So for me at approx latitude 53.54544N , this make it around Friday
                    It's always sunny in Wigan @Lolimac , we are like little sunbeams :biggrin:
                     
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