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    What do you actually mean by magic? Can you explain? It's the strangest thing I've ever read. :noidea:
     
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    Sounds like great fun! :hapydancsmil::hapfeet:
     
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      Look at a tree. See how a collection of carbon based molecules and water molecules have assembled themselves. Even if you only see pure cold science, see how it makes you feel. Consider how its autumn colours, which have a very dull scientific explanation (to do with pigments of certain colours being best at absorbing and redirecting harmful ultraviolet radiation), consider how those colours make you feel. Why did you join a gardening forum? Presumably because you have an appreciation of plants. Why is that? Why do we find something beautiful? We can answer that in certain cases, for example where something is directly useful in contributing to our survival, but liking the autumn colours, or looking out to sea at night and watching the moonlight reflect on the water surely has no benefit to us? This is what magic is.
       
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        This has vexed me for sooooo long :doh:
         
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          I had lunch with him: lovely man, indeed!
           
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            I'm trying to decide between: Ghostly; Frightening and Apparitions ... the "floating around" goes without saying :heehee: :whistle:
             
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              :wow: @"M" I am totally impressed :noidea: Peter Cushing always came across as a lovely man, a real gentleman, nice to hear that sense of him on screen carried through into real life :dbgrtmb:
               
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                Actually, Clueless, Gardening Anecdotes are easily proved to be fact, or not, by any Gardener who is curious enough to want to use anecdotal methods in growing, propagating, companion planting etc, by either success or failure.

                Which tells us that we as humble Humans are only at the bottom of the Mountain of Learning. It's only in the last 100 hundred years that Science has stumbled from Myths to a minutely growing pace of gathering evidence, proving theories and practice. We are not at the stage where we can say that we can understand in any depth the workings of most subjects. That to me is the great supporting base of Science, an acknowledgement that we are only at the starting gate of knowledge, that we don't know everything and what we might know about Life, the Universe [of which we can only see an infinitesimal portion], etc, could be completely wrong or disproved in part. That is the strength of Science that fact that we know we don't understand everything but our nature drives us to keep trying using logic, application of theory, tests and at each stage learn more by evidence and not beliefs.

                Actually, for me, Logic is always there at the beginning as it's logic that has made me questions things and want to find "the what, the where, and the how"...........that and good old curiousity!! We don't have to understand a thing completely to acknowledge that it exists and is a fact...and not magic. If that were true Science would never got past the medieval ages where Religion controlled most "knowledge" and was quite happy to use the myth of "magic" to give their Priests an image of authority.

                If we knew and understodd everything at this stage of Human development, now that would be magic.........but at the moment it's only myth.:heehee: The more we know the more questions we have and the less we understand due to the questions leading us onto new territory.:dunno::scratch::doh::snork:
                 
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                :heehee:"Sticks and stones will break my bones
                But words will never harm me.":sofa:
                 
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                Which takes us back to my earlier point, that science is just the pursuit of the understanding of magic.
                 
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                Believe me, it is!!!!:hapfeet::yahoo:
                 
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                  I can see the logic of trying to scientifically understanding a term for things that are viewed as supernatural by those of various beliefs who are content for those things to remain unexplained. To some giving a name to something unexplained, such as "Magic", is comforting and gives them hope that there are other things than reality.
                  Unfortunately, it acted as a brake to knowledge during the last 500 years and would have worked more dramatically if if hadn't been for individuals who used logic and curiousity to question the standard magic and myths.:dunno::coffee::snork:
                   
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                      A bit of slight, almost undoubtedly unintentional stereotyping there:) Throughout history, many of the cultures that we most associate with the term 'magic' were very scientific in their studies, even if they lacked the technology to pursue their investigations in the way we can today.

                      In fact historically, those that studied 'magic' were the scientists, and it was also they who were held back by the conventional thinkers. Not too many years ago, the 'scientist' who may have had the knowledge to stop you dying by choosing plants with just the right chemical compounds in them would have been branded a witch and executed if they'd been caught studying and testing their theories.
                       
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                      To be honest, I don't think that's true. If you had questioned the people studying controversial/banned subjects centuries ago they would have told you that it was because their logic told them that it wasn't Magic.
                      You have to remember Magic was viewed in a different light in days gone by and was used to give people and organisations a mystical unearthly power. Galileo Galilei proposed and proved that the Sun didn't revolve around the Earth but just the opposite and was opposed by the Church and those who believed in Magic. Galileo studied things and didn't think them to be Magic just because he didn't understand them. He used logic and intelligence to query things that others were happy to use the term "Magic" in order to protect their own beliefs and powers. He, and others, even in those days connected the term "Magic" to a desire to suppress the advancement of knowledge. If you want to use the term "Magic" for everything you/humanity doesn't understand that's understandable as giving a label to something not understood is a comfort..........but it doesn't make it true.:coffee::snork:[/QUOTE]
                       
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