Plywood Book Shelves advice please

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    Same as dowelling, just that they are flat.
     
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      Are you talking about actually hanging the bookshelves on just biscuit joints? Or am I missing something here?
       
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      Polished hardwood means just that hardwood which has been polished, (a clear or stain coating which gives the timber a shine or sheen), planed is usually quoted as PAR, prepared all round.

      If you buy veneered MDF, you wont know its MDF, once the job is done.
      It could be ply or any other kind of board under the veneer, its probably the most used board in the world now days.
      Must admit I prefer solid wood, but decent stuff costs these days, plus you would probably need to joint it up, especially if you dont want it to cup/warp.

      John, if you want it all cut to net sizes I can only suggest you visit a local, small joinery shop, with a dimension saw, they could even order the stuff in for you, of course its money again, but you might get what you want, rather than nearest quarter of an inch.
      Timber yards are just that, probably a cross cut, and a rip saw.
       
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          I used to have a client who manufactured MDF just by Chirk and I felt sorry for the employees as there seemed to be quite a few health problems seemingly associated with the way it was manufactured. I remember a Manager saying to me over a pint that he would never use it!!!!:dunno::whistle::heehee:
          For me, there is a "joy" from working with wood that I don't get when having to include plywood in a project. I'm lucky enough to have two great Timber Merchants within a mile of me and I've always found using wood was the cheaper option after costing up alternatives. Both Timber Merchants deliver orders for free, and both have always cut accurately to size when asked.:snork::coffee:
           
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            MDF contains, as far as I know, wood particles, silica and Formaldehyde glue.

            I think you can get a non formaldehyde version, as I used it once when it was asked for in a school.
            But the stuff is literally everywhere.
            You cant hide from it.:snork:
             
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              It would do want you want John, just probably not as robust as a more expensive model.
               
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                MDF 1" thick is SOOOO heavy. :phew:
                 
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                  It will do me then thanks pete. It will probably sit unused for a few years afterwards, like my cheap router, that only comes out once in a blue moon but it has paid for itself on the odd occasional I do need it (jointing kitchen worktops in particular).
                   
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                    True, Pete. But, unfortunately, that's just a sign that we're being given something cheap and second rate.:dunno::gaah:
                    When I first bought my House [new build] all those years ago all the Kitchen cupboards, work tops, etc were MDF. I took the lot out over the years and replaced everything with solid wood and never regretted it. Even the doors throughout the House were a type of glossy "cardboard" surfaced frames and they came out straight away to be replaced by solid wood doors.:yes::snork:
                     
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                      I've just watched Vals video, and he dosen't actually show you how to go about cutting biscuits for shelving, first of all, you throw away the fence on the machine and only work from the base on a flat surface.
                      Mark out the positions on the verticals of all the horizontals, then lay the horizontals on the bottom line of the positions.
                      G cramp the two together.
                      Then you use the machine horizontally and vertically.

                      Difficult to explain but its quite easy once you get the idea.

                      Trenching out, or dados as the yanks call it, is the old way, and again, apart from locating the shelf it has no other purpose except weakening the uprights.
                       
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                        I'm glad to hear you can afford the best Armandii :smile:

                        I've worked on millionares places, and quite often its all veneered MDF these days.
                        Reason being, they chuck it out after a couple of years because its out of style.
                         
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                          Those were the days when I couldn't afford the best, Pete, to be honest. But I had a friend who was a Carpenter who just loved wood and in those days good timber was really cheap. He made all the doors [interior and exterior] and it took two of us to put in the front door as it was a properly built heavy job. All doors are just as good even now and shut with a slick click. I did most of the Kitchen myself, doing it in stages so as not too cause too much havoc to family life. My Son-in Law [also another talented Carpenter] and I knocked down the stair and rebuilt them adding a new complete supports, stringers and risers, banisters and rails to give a non creaking, better looking stairs case............having said that we forgot that we would have to use the toilet [upstairs:doh:] and had to use the next door neighbour's for the day!!!:heehee:
                           
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                            This video shows that method pete, sorry it's 10 minutes long but I found it very useful - granny sucking eggs for you :)

                            http://www.finewoodworking.com/how-to/video/biscuit-joiner-tips-and-tricks.aspx
                             
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                              If it gets too complicated, John, you could always shelve the idea!!!:dunno::heehee:
                               
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