Gas Boilers

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    He sounds like he knows his onions @Sheal, and I wouldn't hesitate to put another Vaillant in its place if that is the most economical solution long term. I only wish I could oik out our current GlowWorm in favour of a Vaillant or WB
     
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      I believe you're renting FC? If you're there long term is it worth your while trying to do a deal with your landlord/landlady, perhaps to split the price on replacement?

      We'll find out sometime tomorrow whether it's do or die with our boiler. We know which way it's going to go already, that's our usual luck! :doh::)
       
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      I don`t want to show off , but bought a top of the range throug an internet site for £800 (including delivery) and found a plumber that certificate and installed for £250 , took him less then 2 hours .....
       
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        That's a good price Sal. :dbgrtmb: Getting anyone to deliver large goods to the island is nigh on impossible and if we can, they charge us the earth for delivery.
         
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        It looks like my boiler has settled down for the time being so we're holding fire on replacement. It could be that a blockage has been disturbed with the work that was done to it. Time will tell. :)
         
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        As a builder of some 40 odd years I will echo those who say if it ain't broke don't fix it... Saving 300 quid a year is some going from a boiler change. Unless your boiler is absolutely clapped out or you live in a house the size of Windsor you won't make instant savings that large..

        One thing I recommend strongly is getting the insulation as good as is possible ! Lofts and walls if not insulated will sap energy quickly and you loose the feel good factor when a house is warming up and then cooling down to quickly.

        Back on boilers we fit Worcester Bosch. Back are good Worcester are the best.
         
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          My loft insulation is over a foot deep and I don't agree with filling cavity walls, they're there for a purpose.

          My boiler is in it's own small room attached to the back of my bungalow. When it was first installed I made a jacket for it out of covered loft insulation because none were available to buy. @Charlie996 would you know if anyone makes/supplies these now please.
           
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          I not sure myself about that , a friend of mine is a home survey and he`s telling me that there are many case of dump and mould due of the wall insulation ... I was tempted to do mine but he chanced my view about that
           
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            I agree Sal, insulating cavity walls provides a stepping stone for damp and mould from one wall to the other. A friend of mine bought a house a number of years ago and found the place was rotten because of wall insulation, the surveyor hadn't spotted it. It cost them thousands of pounds to have it put right.
             
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            You can get damp patches on walls that have been poorly insulated. This is because cold spots form and where the warm air meets the cold spot condensation will form. The best way to insulate old cavities is to force the insulation in by way of air pressure. If a company say for instance BG do a poor job and get a complaint they will blow air into the cavities to compress the insulation then blow in some more rockwool or whatever product they are using.

            I beg to differ but a house well insulated and done properly is far better then a house with open cavities. Any house or room should have a wee bit of ventilation even if it's only leaving window trickle vents open.

            I'm not sure the old style cylinder jackets are still available. Tanks for years have had the foam style insulation on them for years. Kinda put the old jackets out of use. You may find them somewhere though if you look hard enough ..
             
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              Sorry Charlie, you've missed my point. I'm looking for a jacket for my Vaillant combi boiler. They weren't available when my boiler was fitted and I was wondering if they are now.
               
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              You can get cheaper replacement parts from manufacturers on ebay or honest people

              I had a baxi that went caput, the trusted man I use,changed most of the things, but we
              decided after hawking out £600 to replace (£3800)

              I gave the NEW boards away on ebay,

              Good luck and keep warm, How is the soft tissue holding out :-)

              Jack McH
               
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                I agree Sal, insulating cavity walls provides a stepping stone for damp and mould from one wall to the other. A friend of mine bought a house a number of years ago and found the place was rotten because of wall insulation, the surveyor hadn't spotted it. It cost them thousands of pounds to have it put right.
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                Damp will not form inside a well insulated cavity. If you have water penetrating the outside skin of the wall then that can cause problems but they should be dealt with as a separate issue. For instance the joints in the mortar having gone soft or badly weathered would mean careful re pointing. Modern insulation materials are not able to pass moisture through under normal circumstances but a failing wall is a different matter.

                Sorry I though we were talking cylinder jackets.. I'm not sure if its possible to buy a jacket for the boiler so the DIY and make one yourself is likely the best approach. Try the internet though its possible !
                 
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                  I have to agree with Charlie, there are no longer any problems with modern cavity wall insulation materials. If there is damp at your friend's house, then it's something else (faulty gutter, bad mortar, etc).

                  When cavity wall insulation first came on the scene, my wife worked for a company that used an expanding foam material, now that did have issues - not just causing damp but also skin irritating fumes, I'm going back over 40 years. She had to deal with customer complaints and there were plenty! The industry had a bad name then but now-a-days using natural materials like Rockwool you can't go wrong, honest :smile:

                  I'd recommend anyone with unfilled cavities to take advantage of the various govt initiatives right now to get them insulated, the difference to your house will be immediate, speaking from my experience.

                  You can still get mould problems even with cavity wall insulation, condensation will form on any cold surface (like old single glazed windows), and since all your walls are now nice and snug it will appear to be worse in those few places. We have to ventilate a bit more than we used to, just use the trickle vents in double glazing will do the trick :dbgrtmb:
                   
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                    We have cavity wall insulation (40 year old pressurised foam) and have no problems. Our approach to heating/insulation is slightly different from a lot of people. We never turn our heating off. The thermostat is set to keep the chill off (actually higher nowadays :old:) even when we're out, or at night.

                    The place never gets cold, we never get condensation patches, when we're out and then return it takes very little time for the place to get very cosy and warm. Even if we're away for a month in the depths of winter we keep the thermostat set at a little over 16C. When we return we turn the temperature up and by the time we've unpacked and got a nice cuppa ready the place is nice and warm.

                    When we were working we had tried the 'have the heating come on an hour before arriving home' method - and turning the heating off at night. Apart from not being anywhere near as comfortable the additional cost was negligible.

                    There's no doubt that the loft and cavity insulation make for a much cosier life. Particularly as, at our age, we need the place quite a bit warmer than when we were youngsters.
                     
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