Is this country completely crackers?

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  1. shiney

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    People have got it all wrong about poor old Richard! He was just misunderstood. :)

     
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      I just don't get the Jeremy Clarkson thing.

      As a nation we claimed to be shocked about Jimmy Saville et al and the general consensus was that he was never investigated because of his celebrity.........."never again will anyone be too important or valuable to be investigated".......... In JC, if reports are to be believed, we have someone who chose to stay an extra 2 hours in a pub, had a helicopter on standby for all of that time, came back and complained that the kitchen had closed because the staff had finished their shifts and so was only offered cold food. His response was to berate a more junior colleague for 20 minutes (with his co-stars witnessing - I'd be interested to know what they did/said), told him he was sacking him and finally to punch him causing a cut lip which required stitching. Even then it wasn't the victim but JC himself who informed his employers. If I did anything like that at work I sincerely hope my employers would sack me!


      nb there has been a suggestion that his contract, which was due to be renewed in the very near future, contained a clause stating that he couldn't go and work for a rival company unless his current contract was terminated because he'd been sacked.... who knows?
       
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        For me, that is an important point and I suppose depends very much on his motivation for doing so.
        Somehow, I don't get the feeling it was a case of: oopsie, I've done something silly, please forgive me.
        I get the sense that he informed them more in the context of: That little twit blah-blah-blah so I decked him one; he deserved it. When are you going to replace him?
         
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          Definitely laugh of the morning, thank you!!! :lunapic 130165696578242 5: :lunapic 130165696578242 5:
           
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            re Jeremy Clarkson

            I think I'm more cynical; I suspect his own self-importance is a factor but I do wonder whether he's been provocative for some time and challenging to be sacked, almost like a child pushing the boundaries. The idea that he may have wanted to be sacked for contractual reasons can't be discounted either.

            I became suspicious when the number plate in Argentina matter arose. In Argentina they don't acknowledge the name Falklands as the islands' name so I felt it was a stunt for us in the UK.
             
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              Re: Jeremy Clarkson. I really really like JC, he is his own man, says what he thinks and is defnitely not PC in any way but.......................this was uncalled for and very wrong of him, as much as I like him I'm sorry but I think he deserved to be sacked.
               
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                That seems quite a normal business restriction (in the old days it was called a 'radius clause'). It wouldn't surprise me that now he has had his contract terminated he, and the other two, will have already been approached by other TV companies to create a similar product.

                Although I agree that he deserved to be sacked I think that the repercussions hadn't been fully envisaged.

                JC has lost his job but is sufficiently well off to not have to worry too much. Also he has all his other jobs that he does as a journalist.
                He's likely to end up doing a similar thing for another TV company.

                The BBC has lost it's best paying programme/presenter. This will reduce, quite massively, their income/profit which can cause on-going problems.

                Some of the staff of the programme may lose their jobs because of the loss of the programme and the income.

                So, losses all round but the least affected is the culprit!!! :doh:

                Would it have been better to have asked him to agree to a massive fine or a large drop in salary - plus giving a public apology (loss of face)?
                That way JC would have lost out, the BBC would have retained it's best income generator and the staff would have retained their jobs.

                It may not feel morally correct but practical considerations sometimes need to be thought of. The person who was the victim may even lose his job because of it!!
                 
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                  I see your point Shiney but this is the sort of consideration that has to be made when delivering a final warning.

                  Notwithstanding, I don't see how bullying at work which includes verbal as well as physical abuse can be condoned and keeping him would surely have sent that message. Further, I still think he wanted to go.

                  Not sure how the other presenters stand contractually. Although I guess contractual restrictions are difficult to implement especially now that their current contracts have expired.
                   
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                    Im a bit confused why everyone is assuming top gear will be worse now. Obviously it wont be the same but that doesnt mean it will be worse

                    it may become worse without clarkson but it also may be loads better. it will depend who they get and if they just try to keep the exact same thing rather than switch it up and do something new and refreshing

                    Change isnt always good but change can be great.

                    Im keeping an open mind
                     
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                      Top gear may well be just as good but not for me anymore...James May,JC and the Hamster were a good team and not for one minute am I condoning JC's antics but the three of them were Top Gear IMO so it will never be the same..:blue thumb:
                       
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                        Agreed. It's just that if the victim of the abuse doesn't have a job as a result of the sacking then I'm not sure he'll be too happy about it!

                        I don't watch the programme and, therefore, am not a fan of the presenters.

                        Have the BeeB said that the programme will continue?
                         
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                        I feel that is up to the BBC to find him an alternative post ensuring that he does not suffer loss of work as a result.
                         
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                        That's what should happen but I don't know if it will. If there has to be job losses then it's also sad that others may lose their jobs because of it.

                        Of course, this is all speculation without any knowledge or evidence. :doh: :noidea: It's just that it was my job to try and think of all possibilities and plan for them.
                         
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                          Appreciate that - these days though, those old fashioned concepts are not always upheld. Too much knee-jerk, act now think later attitudes prevailing.
                           
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                            That's possibly because he's in the position of being extremely wealthy and secure, Val. I'd rather have some one speak frankly, PC or not, even though that act might endanger their job that they can't afford to lose.:coffee:
                             
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