General Election: Who the hell am I going to vote for???

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  1. rosebay

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    Ah the easy put down...to be expected but do you know about his large twitter following and how influential he is? [​IMG]

    (By the way, he admits to being vain, narcissistic etc - there is more to him than that though...e.g. do you know about his new film?)
     
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    I am all for Labour @rosebay - hell, I was a Labour councillor around twenty years ago, however, Russell Brand is a complete idiot - sure, he may have millions of folllowers, but that means very little - Jimmy Saville was once equally respected..... I rest my case
     
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      [​IMG] That is an extremely poor equasion... wow! To dismiss him as a complete idiot undermines his clearly influential power...so many would disagree with you! Insults are easy - can you back up why you think he is a complete idiot?

      Someone who is a follower is a fan, i.e. can involve admiration rather than respect and resonating with what they say. I am not a twitter follower and there is much that I do not respect about Brand (his humour is not that great to me), but I admire his motivation and intent...he is a driven man to bring about a fairer society.
       
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      Well, that's a good thing, Rosebay, as far as I am concerned..........but let's face all the Politicians, Celebrities, etc, are pretty transparent anyway and easy to see through and we all know that they only want to be in the spotlight, have power, be acknowledged as special.:dunno::snork:
      There are a lot of good people out who are "driven" by the need to bring about change and trying to change the system who are far better qualified to gain my respect and who's beliefs wouldn't be changed because they feel their media image has been strengthened by a visit from a Politician. God Help Him if Nicola Sturgeon, Cameron, Farage, etc visit him..........what a tizzy he would be in, he'd be wearing a Kilt one moment, dressed in Blue the next, then waving a Union Jack and drinking a pint the next. I prefer to look at the Politics rather than fasten onto a Person in the belief that because of his image he must be right.:coffee::snork:
       
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        They will certainly get it voting for Ed Miliband, but I doubt it will be for the better, quite the reverse.
         
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        I think you can apply that to all the Political Leaders, depending on your point of view.:dunno::heehee:
         
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        That is a sweeping statement that may generally hold good but there are always exceptions, e.g. Tony Benn springs to mind. Who can doubt the sincerity of the man? OK Russell is a clown by trade (having done stand up), so is easy to ridicule but I have no doubt whatsoever that he is the real deal. Just unfortunate that his current status renders him an easy target since he roots for the working class but is clearly not one of them anymore.

        Yes I agree with you here... does that mean he should be dismissed though when he is in such an influential position with young people?
         
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          His behaviour alone clearly demonstrates that he is only out for his own gain - to go from saying that voting is a complete waste of time to backing one if the major parties is a remarkable U-turn, and smacks of glory hunting to me. Don't get me wrong - if, and its a big if, but if he manages to garner support for Labour then fair enough by me. However, to me he will remain untrustworthy, and merely out to keep himself in the limelight
           
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            Hi Rosebay, I think you have misunderstood me as I have not ridiculed Russell Brandon. What I have done is to point out that he's not the most intelligent, wise, great decision making person around and because of that I cannot see why anyone would regard his views and exhortations regarding Life or the Political scene as having anymore value than any other person.:dunno: So is the attraction to him because of his ability to use his media machine to preach to the unenlightened?:scratch: What is there in his actions as a "Celebrity" that qualifies him to have any influence on peoples political thoughts:dunno:

            Tony Benn was a sincere man although borne of a wealthy and influential family which enabled him to enter into the world of power rather than through the efforts of his own work. I didn't agree with his radical views as we would have had no Armed Forces to defend the country if we had followed his views, having said that I'm pretty sure that he would have had no truck with the views and the likes of such as Russell Brand.:coffee:
             
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              I admit it is a spectacular u-turn but my guess is that he has been hoodwinked, i.e. that voting labour means he will be heard. Niaive at best! So, if someone changes their mind, that makes them untrustworthy then in your eyes?

              He has no need to do this to stay in the limelight...for starters, he has a book out and a new film has just come out exposing what the bankers did to this country.
               
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              No, everyone is entitled to change their mind, however Russell Brand appears to do so more often than he changes his socks. Had he a degree of sincerity about him, I would have a different view - sadly Russell Brand has nil in the way of sincerity, and the net result is that it looks to be exactly what it is - a publicly stunt that actually makes Labour look desperate for support
               
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                The one thing about "Celebrities" is that they have to stay in the limelight, getting every bit of publicity they can in order to stay a Celebrity, Rosebay. Limelight, publicity, media are the lifeblood of the likes of Russell Brand, Celebrities, Politicians etc. So Russell Brand has every need to keep himself with whatever way he can in the limelight.
                 
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                  I think you exaggerate for effect...he changed his mind ONCE! He has no need for a publicity stunt (with a book out and a new film - neither of which he is plugging on such occasions), also he would lose credibility with his followers if he was the lightweight/shallow person you seem to think he is.

                  I viewed Milliband talking to Brand as a shrewd move as an attempt to influence young voters (of which Brand has a substantial following). It was Milliband that approached Brand not vice versa...so could well be Milliband's publicity stunt. Cameron suggested this.
                   
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                    It was Milliband that approached Brand...not vice versa.
                     
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                    As I pointed out, Russell Brand would cease to be a "Celebrity" without publicity, which is why he has a "Official Russell Brand site", is on Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, is taking interviews in Magazines such as Vanity Fair, and on the TV BBC Newsnight. Is that a person who doesn't need to be constantly in the Limelight, or maintaining himself in publicity??? The need for attention, being looked up to [by those that wish to], the need to be "important" is like a drug and without that drug and the media apparatus that he uses to keep himself in the "public eye" he would just be another person in the crowd.:coffee:
                     
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