General Election: Who the hell am I going to vote for???

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  1. pete

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    The idea was right, the amount that you had to pay was debatable.

    I just like the idea that everyone over the age of 18 was liable to pay, its only right as they all use the services.
    Not just one member of a house hold.
    The system that is now in force is totally unfair.
     
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      This is absolutely right!!!! I'm sure UKIP would bring back the poll tax!!! :biggrin:
       
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        I dislike the idea of being taxed because I breathe. A lot of young people couldn't afford to pay the tax and to avoid going to jail their parents had to pay for them.......the State didn't care who paid so long as they got their money. The poll tax didn't just affect the individual it affected whole families whether members were earning or not. A poll tax is not designed to be good for the people only for the State i.e to get the maximum in the coffers. A politician will tell you that taxes go to Defence, the NHS, Roads, Councils etc and love the people who clap their hands in naive excitement when a new tax or a blanket tax is introduced. We pay tax on just about everything we do or have and no one says a word in protest. It always amazes me when a Chancellor stands up saying "I will not be raising the tax on fuel but freezing it for this year" and then looks to the public to be grateful. That is like a person saying "I've decided not to steal from your wallet....for now" and expecting me to say "Thank you.":dunno:
         
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        • Lolimac

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          Right everyone ,vote UKIP:heehee::thumbsup:
           
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          • pete

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            But it wasn't an extra/new tax, it was in place of.

            It just spead the cost out more evenly over the whole population.

            Personally I'm fed up paying the taxes for my neighbours, I pay 75% of the council tax now, due to single occupancy, but there are households living in the same houses of up to 5 or 6 over 18 years of age, and they only pay 25% more than me.
             
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              I think that part of the problem with taxation nowadays is that people are slowly realising that they are not getting what they pay for; the roads are generally in a rotten state, the NHS is equally struggling, we have water and drainage infrastructure that is crumbling or over-subscribed, and there have been so many defence cuts in recent years we would be lucky to defend ourselves in a game of tennis, let alone a war!

              If we had a contract with a private company and they did not provide what we were paying for, we would either terminate the contract and/or pursue them for reparation - - yet, when the government fail to provide, we are expected to stay quiet and give them MORE money :dunno:
               
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                  I have to agree that is unfair - however, my view is the other way round, your discount should be more; single person occupancy should be at least 50% discount as far as I am concerned.
                   
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                    In that case..Nobody vote UKIP:yikes::snork:
                     
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                      How wasn't it an extra tax??? The tax changed from a building of brick and mortar being charged for to basically charging each individual member of the Household........it was a new tax designed to bring in the maximum revenue.

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                      • pete

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                        But I just cant understand why, unless you are in full time education, or unemployed, that you do not become liable to council tax at the age of 18.
                        It could be a percentage until you reach 21, but after that, you should be on your own, regarding responsibility for taxes.
                         
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                        I think we should raise all taxes by 50% so the British people can give more money to the European Union,give more money in foreign aid to anyone that wants it for whatever reason, give more money to the armed forces so we can fund Nato ourselves and protect everyone, raise more tax to allow more than the 600k immigrants we already allow in every year, tax more to build £40Billion pound railway lines for the rich londoners to jolly about the countryside that bit quicker.
                        Raise tax on everything for everyone and if you cant afford it tough luck we`ll take your house instead and you can live on the street.
                        God save the Queen ! :stirpot:
                         
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                          as you said, it "changed", so it wasn't "extra".

                          As I said, you could argue about the amount it was set at, the the idea was fair and sound.
                           
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                            It sounds like a nightmare for her, I am so sorry for you both. Is she a lone worker when this happens? They are supposed to have lone worker policies. It might be worth having a chat with social services who deal with vulnerable adults or write to them with a copy to the Employer, police. Also a copy to an MP they jump through rings for them. Staff have the right to a level of safety worth checking what unions advise in that area I know unions are next to useless and often MP are too a lot of the time but they can give good direction sometimes.

                            I do have one caution for your wife, the employer may turn on the employee for making waves, Then it may be a case of victimization and constructive dismissal.

                            I also have a caution for you, Do not go after the boss.

                            I worked in the NHS many years, part of that was 7 years in a large prison.

                            A lot of people end up inside for defending a partner, or property when you think it would be in your favour. e.g. Someone broke in to family home and he battered the person because he was in his daughters bedroom and heard him break in . He hit him with a bat of his sons it was in the hall ready for school and he ended up inside despite being a well respected individual with good character and good job plus the burglar was suing him for broken bones and he served no time.

                            I would recommend your wife goes to a self defence class, It will not be home office techniques but it may save her from being frightened or even counteract the incidents. It will give her confidence and that confidence may deter these incidents.

                            I found a large number of inmates with learning issues are in prison. Prisoners naturally stood / stepped away from me but my two colleagues who didn't have any martial art experience always felt intimidated and always had the inmates them touching / messing with them and I used to think they can see the fear and home in on it.

                            I did Jujitsu because it covers strangles, grot, wrist, arm locks, kicks punches, multiple attack defence, getting out of being attacked on the floor. I went up to Black belt but didn't take my black belt because 3 weeks before I had my first relapse and my balance went it never returned again so I was not fit enough to do the 25 throws because of the turns. I carried on teaching it for a while as I trained as an instructor but I would let them throw me and then my balance would go so I gave it up. I believe it kept me safe while I worked in a prison, then it gave me confidence to go back for interviews when I went back to work in a normal hospital.

                            I do feel most areas need to stay away from privation, it is profit driven and does not care about the public. All services are now cut to the bone and cannot run with any more cuts. It just means more people being made redundant claiming more benefits and loss of hope in the future especially in job prospects.
                            I think people need a living wage. I actually don't mind paying some reasonable TAX to get NHS and services we need. It does not make sense lifting a lot of people out of tax then cutting the working benefits and emergency services because there is not enough money coming in. I actually think this government would prefer the workhouse back because I am certain the majority of people are not cared about anymore. If you are wealthy, or a business then you are the only ones that matter.

                            Whoever you are please vote as your conscious dictates don't waste your vote its a privilege many don't have!
                             
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                            To be honest the question, to me, should be what is really done with the money you pay in taxes to Councils and the Government. I get a glossy magazine every year from the Council explaining in a pie cartoon of what proportions go where. I would like a breakdown of Councillors wages and expensese, what actual amounts are spent on what, and what the actual tax income is of the Councils. Our nearest Town Centre collapsed during the recession and there are more shops empty than occupied and that hasn't changed. The primary reason why it hasn't recovered is due to the high Business Rates that the Councils are charging, not the rents of the units, and that has stopped many small retailers starting up again.
                             
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