General Election: Who the hell am I going to vote for???

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  1. wiseowl

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    Did someone mention mice:whistle: [​IMG]
     
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      They seem to work out that way, people I have spoken to who live in an estate don't like it.
       
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      Bit of light humour thrown in :)

       
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        I can see the reasoning behind Proportional Representation but I fail to see how it could be applied. UKIP got nearly 4 million votes so do you give them enough MPs to match that number? If so, what happens when an area that voted successfully for another party gets given, because of the proportion calculation, a MP from another party?:doh::scratch::coffee:
         
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        • Anthony Rogers

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          Val, except for the time I lived in London I have always lived on estates and I'm in my 50's now and have never had any problems, ok a bit of noise now and then but nothing too serious.

          I find that comments like yours tend to create a " them and us" attitude and that is one of the problems we have in todays society.
           
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          • Anthony Rogers

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            Are we not forgetting here that UKIP came 4th. They didn't even win a new seat, they only held onto 1 which they won because if a defection, and the other seat which had a defected MP reverted back to the Conservatives.

            And not forgetting that they didn't even take control of a single council in the local elections also taking place.
             
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              Most people I know live on estates of one kind or another.
              Be it council or the posh "bought houses" as we used to call then when I was a kid.:biggrin:
              I'd love to have a house without neighbours, but then I'm not a millionare.

              Unless you have real money you end up on an Estate of some kind, these days.

              You have to leave all that dinosaur thinking behind.
              MPs for your area is a bit quaint, the bloke you vote for dont really give a monkeys about you as an individual, he only really thinks of the party he represents.
              So as to getting an MP for your area, its all a bit silly.
              Lets face it most of them dont even live in the area.
               
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                I agree, Anthony, but under the now much talked about [most by the activist Press/TV media and those who lost their seats] PR system that wouldn't matter.....which seems weird to me.:doh::heehee:
                 
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                  But it would - look how many seats they would have if PR applied
                   
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                    I'm sorry Pete but we have an MP who has done fantastic work for our town. We were once the top carpet making town in the world and gradually all except 6 factories closed down. For years we were a dying town. He has in the last 5 years got 2 companies to take over an old boat building factory employing over 1000 people and has negotiated for Jaguar to come into town employing upto 3000 people.
                    He was born and grew up in Kidderminster and still lives here.

                    If you have an MP that doesn't work hard for their constituency then it us upto the voters to get rid. And if he isn't local then why vote for him in the first place.
                     
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                      [QUOTE="Anthony Rogers, post: 933842, member: 15810 ]
                      If you have an MP that doesn't work hard for their constituency then it us upto the voters to get rid. And if he isn't local then why vote for him in the first place.[/QUOTE]

                      So you are suggesting dont vote?:scratch:
                      And I must admit that the candidate for my area could be a saint, but if he stands for the wrong party, I aint likely to vote for him.
                       
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                      I disagree, Pete [now that's unusual for us:heehee:]. Firstly, the idea of proportional representation is not new thinking, in fact it's an even older idea than first past the post so I guess it's also Dinosaur class.:dunno::heehee: Plus there isn't just one form of proportional representation. For example, there's MMP [mixed member proportional representation, and then there's another called bioproportional representation, or another called additional member system. Mixed in with that is the way votes are counted [a] single transferable vote Party list vote [c] other ways of counting the vote under the PR system that means it can be used to do deals between parties. Then there could be open lists or closed lists in PR voting giving a two tier system in what is supposed to be a fairer system but would be twisted and mutated by political parties. It would definitely mean that borders would change, probably getting bigger, with a change in the number of MPs. If you think your present MP is remote.........then try a system where the MP has an even bigger area [and of course a bigger wage to compensate him/her]. As for MPs only thinking of their party....why is Cameron and his cronies now worrying about the rebels in the party who can, and have in the past, really put pressure on them to change policies. John Major was forced again and again to change policies about many things and in fact resigned as Conservative Leader in 1995 and had to go into a new leadership election which got him back again by a hair.
                      All I'm saying, Pete, is be careful what you wish for.:coffee::heehee:
                       
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                      • pete

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                        Well, I'd like to wish for democracy.
                        The system at the moment is verging on corrupt, so really it needs to be sorted by those that are in the know, until that happens we might as well be living in a two party dictatorship.
                        Personally I dont want an MP, I just want a fair government.
                        Cant remember the last time I spoke to my MP, and in fact I dont even know who it is.
                         
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                          So you are suggesting dont vote?:scratch:
                          And I must admit that the candidate for my area could be a saint, but if he stands for the wrong party, I aint likely to vote for him.[/QUOTE]
                          No Pete, I'm definitely not saying don't vote.
                           
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