Pinching

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    Morning. Loving this growing your own malarkey; but wow so much to learn.

    Can someone please give me the basics on pinching. I am growing everything and anything. When, where, how, why?

    Ta very much.
     
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    Just read this. It relates to melons - 'pinching off at six leaf stage'. What does this mean exactly?

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    You count the 'true' leaves ignoring the two 'cotyledons' (which are the first leaves to emerge from the seed and are a different shape)

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    When there are 4 'true' leafs nip out the growing point. This encourages new shoots to develop and creates a bushier plant.
     
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      Growing point? Central stalk?
       
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      The 'growing point' is just that, the very tip on the central stalk.
       
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        Well I never! I've never heard of this before. Is this for tomatoes and that sort of thing?
         
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          It applies to a wide range of plants, but particularly those that you want to be that wee bit bushier rather than a single stalk with a flower at the top.
           
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            As FC said, the best example is sweet peas, I think it's essential to do for them :blue thumb:
             
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            I didn't know about this. My poor sweetpeas! I've been trying to understand how to do it on tomatoes - but haven't been so successful in figuring out which bits to nip (and my tomatoes are blinking huge now - and I planted to many of them to start with).
             
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            @Eldy hopefully this will help:

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            At the moment (June) we are pinching/nipping out side-shoots on tomatoes. This is done on so called 'cordon' or 'indeterminate' varieties ('bush' varieties you just leave alone).

            For indoor tomatoes I allow about 8 trusses to form then pinch out the growing tip, this 'stops' the plant so it puts all it's energy into producing fruit. 'Stopping' will take place in August time. For outdoor tomatoes you need to 'stop' them when there are between 4 to 6 trusses. The idea being your trusses will all ripen before the season ends i.e. frost/cold takes its toll on the plants.
             
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              Thank you John! Is a truss a level of leaf sproutage? ie, is the picture you've kindly shared showing one truss?

              I'm guessing my tomatoes aren't bush ones, but helpfully, I threw the packet away - and my neatly-written label is now lost in a tomato jungle.

              Two of the plants are ones my dad gave me - black russians, which apparently make dark brown/black tomatoes. A couple of them came as plugs from Wilkos (so I'm assuming they're fairly standard tomatoes) - and the majority of them are from a packet of seeds I bought in Lidl. The picture showed tomatoes that were a bit knobbly-bobbly (rather than the smooth ones you buy in supermarkets).

              I didn't think they were all going to grow - but they did. And then I thought, ah - plant them all, they won't all grow. Except they have.

              They're currently about 4ft tall - and very, very bushy. I snapped off loads of the branches from the bottoms of them last weekend - like a couple of armfuls - but they're still growing crazy-style. I'll hit the greenhouse later on today and start pinching.

              I'll have a wee look at my sweetpeas too. Thank you!
               
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              Yes that's showing just one truss - but a truss is flowers not leafs. That drawing above is not so clear so I've found this picture which is a bit better below.

              A truss has flowers (or buds) on it, there should be no or very few leafs on a truss, they look like this:

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              So very different to the 'side-shoot' which emerges from the joint of a leaf and the main stem.

              Don't remove the trusses - the flowers turn into the fruit. When the flowers finish you should see little fruit starting to form. If no fruit forming then do as follows:

              Sometimes the flowers don't 'set' in a greenhouse due to lack of insects/wind movement. Instead give your tomato plants a gentle tap each time you go into the greenhouse, this shakes the flowers and causes pollen to transfer from the male to female part - i.e. you are fertilizing the flowers.

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                Superstar - thank you :) I didn't think about how the flowers fertilise themselves. Most of the plants have flowers or buds on now, so I'll give them a little wobble before I water them.
                 
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