Starting with Roses

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    I've always admired them but to be honest was a bit daunted as I assume they are difficult to grow. If I were to buy some, when would be the best time and what suppliers should I look to buy from? I need to do a lot more research but a few buches or climbers would be great I reckon.
     
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        Thanks woo! So I should be looking now, what about keeping them in large pots? I know they seem to require a heck of a watering so is it possible then? Also then go for a bush variety or something? I need something foolproof :) Also you are up very early!
         
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        Good evening @Greecko yes you can grow them in large pots /Containers,I don't sleep much 4/5 hours a night,I get to excited about each new day;)
         
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        A pot it is! Any rough sizes to go by or the bigger the better?
         
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          Good morning @Greecko :smile:

          Choose an appropriately sized container. The larger the better,Miniature roses thrive in a 12-inch (30.5-cm) container, while floribundas and hybrid tea roses need 15 inches (38 cm). Larger hybrids and tree roses need to be in containers measuring 18 inches (45.7 cm) or larger.

          Terracotta is made from clay – which is just a kind of soil – that is turned on a wheel and fired in a kiln. The hotter the firing, the more frost-resistant it will be. This is important because terracotta can crack and flake in very cold weather because the pots absorb water which then expands as it freezes and something has to give.Opt for a pot that provides good drainage. Plastic and clay pots with holes at the bottom offer better drainage ,and I always use John Innes No3 to plant my Rose
          Place a one-inch layer of medium-sized bark chips or gravel over the bottom of the container. The chips or stones should be larger than any holes in the bottom of the pot to prevent them from falling through. This layer provides your roses with additional drainage.
          Loosely pack the soil into the pot. Do not pack too tightly, as your rose needs room to breathe.
          Increase the nutrient level by mixing a cup of bonemeal into the soil. Roses need a lot of nutrients, and bonemeal can provide the fertile conditions your roses need to produce many blooms.Place the rose into the soil. If working with a bare-root rose, spread the roots out comfortably. Rose roots need ample room to spread out horizontally.
          Fill in the area around the rose with more soil. Gently press the soil around the stems. The surface of the soil should match the place where the roots and rose plant meet.The container should be filled so that the soil almost comes to the top. If the rose is too deep in the container, pull it out of the soil and add more to the bottom of the pot.Water until well saturated. Even though root rot does pose a threat to roses, these flowers also need plenty of moist soil to survive.Position the container in a location that receives full sun. Roses need at least 6 hours of sun daily to thrive.hope this helps my friend:smile:
           
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          Thanks WiseOwl! I'm only getting to read this now after taking a glimpse before going away for the weekend. Great advice and I'll be looking for a pot soon! Need to find myself a reputable rose grower/nursery though to get one in. Minature roses sound to be a good starting point then I reckon! Need to google what the difference is between floribunda and hybrid tea roses are! Strange names the tea rose
           
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            Good morning @Greecko this might help you:smile:

            The most striking difference between hybrid tea roses and floribundas are their flowers. Hybrid tea roses appear as a single blossom on a long stem, making them a favorite for cut flower arrangements. Floribunda, as the name implies, produces abundant clusters of flowers on its stems. Hybrid tea roses are large, ranging from 3 1/2 to 5 1/2 inches across, while floribunda's smaller, somewhat flatter blooms are 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 inches as a general rule :smile:

            Miniature roses are perfectly scaled, smaller versions of larger roses, with all the colors, forms, substance, and often, fragrance of full-sized roses. Like other types of roses, each variety of miniature rose has different characteristics, with plant size ranging between 6 inches and 4 feet or more and plant shapes that include bushy, compact, climbing, and cascading. But no matter what the shape or growth habit, a good miniature rose has flowers and leaves in perfect proportion. Smaller definitely doesn’t mean less attractive, and in most cases, smaller does mean easier to grow. Their smaller habit makes miniatures ideal for growing in containers. The flowers provide bright and constant spots of color throughout the growing season, and you can cut their flowers for mini-bouquets and arrangements.
            Miniature roses are actually pretty tough plants. They’re almost always propagated and grown on their own roots, which gives them greater hardiness in cold weather than many other types of roses.:smile:
             
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            thank you very very much! miniatures it is! so i shpuld wait a couple months now and buy bare root plants yes and then plant up fkr next year?
             
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              Good afternoon @Greecko my friend yes that would be the best thing to do,Bare root are less expensive and take better(in my opinnion):smile:
               
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              To be honest it doesn't make much difference over the medium term. With patio/miniature roses, garden centres sell them in pots anyway and all you might ever need to do is replant them in a bigger 10-12" pot The important thing is that the rose has a good root system when you buy it, and at the moment patio roses are thriving in the garden centres, which tells you that the root system is developing well. Now is the time to be buying them IMO, because you've got a good root system and the plants are already flowering well

              The trouble with a bare root purchase I find is that the rose takes longer to develop its root system in the first year. I bought my first patio rose early spring from the garden centre, which was actually a bare root one shoved into a 2 litre pot. It took a long while to get going properly and it's only the last month it's starting to come good. Had I bought it now as a containerized rose from the garden centre it would have been that more advanced. Here's a photo of it (Sweet Wonder).

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                Make sure that the Rose has been grown in the Container(Container Grown)and not transferred in to it from open ground(Containerised)


                Good morning we will have agree to disagree my friend IMHO your beautiful Rose would have looked the same as it does now;)

                1.Bare root Roses are available during the times of the year when the plants would normally be resting.I believe that a Rose in its dormant state (Bare Root) (not growing),stress free when re planted,allows them to grow away strongly in the spring having settled in over winter.

                2.You say more advanced ,why do you want your Rose to be more advanced.In my personal opinnion all that means is that it is older from the start.

                3.Nurserymen grade their Roses in to Firsts/Seconds/Thirds we want the firsts, we look at the roots,they should be numerous ,well sub divided and a fair length,You cannot do this with a container grown Rose.

                4.First and foremost, bare roots allow gardeners a far wider choice of Roses.

                5.The bare-rooted form is the traditional way to plant roses, and remains by far the most popular The main benefit in choosing bare root roses is that they cost less, and they are robust. They can be stored in their packaging without requiring constant attention.

                6.Garden centers can offer both containerized and potted roses. Containerized plants are bought as bare-root plants by the nurserymen, placed in containers, and sold as growing plants that same season..The root development may not be very extensive with these plants and so extra care may be needed when transplanting to the garden.

                7. Bare-root plants are usually good quality, having a wider root spread than containerised plants.

                8. They may be available to buy like this for longer into the spring and summer, but quality starts to suffer the longer they are kept on display. They are bare-root roses placed in pots of potting media to prevent .

                That is the case for the defence of bare root Roses and I now rest my case:heehee: enjoy your day my friend:smile:
                 
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                  Just to reply to a few of your points. Woo. By the way this is only in relevance to patio roses grown in containers.

                  As far as garden centres (gc) are concerned (at least the ones I buy my plants from) they all tell me that the roses for sale in containers were bare rooted ones shoved into pots in early spring, so that would label them as 'containerized'. However they don't all sell in one season, and some remain at the gc into their 2nd year when the secondary root system has well developed so that the pots are filled with white roots. It's these roses I believe that are the great looking performers right now. The same variety as mine (Sweet Wonder) on sale now at the same gc are all more advanced looking than mine is and have many more blooms.

                  When I bought my one last May, I immediately transferred it to a larger pot when I got home. I noticed there was very little white root, and it was nearly all primary root.So it suggests a containerized bare root one that I had bought.It took a long while to get going and you might recall my posting back then that I thought it had a virus due to yellow flecks and patches on the leaves. That's cleared up now I'm glad to say as you can see from my photo.

                  As far as buying roses to be put in beds, I would normally buy bare rooted ones (not containerized) straight from a nursery. But my experience is that in their first year they don't grow brilliantly but put on a satisfactory show. But by the second year they really romp away. A lot too depends on the variety of course. Eg I also bought an HT white called 'Ice Cream' last winter and so far that's just made only 3 flowers in its first year, (albeit large ones) and was very slow to get away. It's also produced some blind stems which often happens with first year bare-rooted roses. I will have to be patient and see what happens next year.
                   
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                    I don't understand why you would expect full performance from a rose in it's first year Paul. If you consider that a rose is a shrub, how many shrubs of any species actually perform well in their first year? It's not right to expect that from any young plant, they all have to mature first.
                     
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                      This is very reassuring, I am a bit of a novice in the flower gardening area so I was getting quite frustrated with the lack of progress with my roses (they're in their first year still), nice to know next year we may see an improvement with a bit of extra patience and care.

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