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    Wondering if anyone might be able to help me. Both my washing machine and spin dryer are ancient. I'm beginning to think it is time to look for new ones before they pack up. I was having a cursory look on the internet and found someone selling a Miele washing machine and spin dryer, new but scratched which doesn't bother me as they wouldn't be housed in the kitchen. The possible snag is that the voltage used by the appliances is 220 volts not 230/40 which I think is UK standard? I know denada about all things electric so maybe someone can tell me if they will work here fine. The "deal" is very good IF the machines work ok as most things Miele last for years and years, normally with a huge price tag but these machines aren't too bad budget wise. Thanks.
     
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    UK standard voltage is 230v AC, however the acceptable range is +/-10%, therefore giving a range of voltages from 207v through to 253v.

    A 220v appliance will work perfectly well on a 230v standard, not least because appliances such as washing machines etc are simply looking for a certain amount of energy to carry out their task. The voltage supplied to our homes fluctuates throughout the day, and all appliances simply adapt - in short, if the voltage goes up the current drawn (Amperes) goes down, and vice versa.

    PS - Miele are about as good as you can get in appliances; very simple designs, so don't expect bells and whistles, but they are generally utterly bomb-proof and tend to last decades.
     
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    Thanks @Zigs and @fat controller. I'm somewhat stumped as after I had posted on here I needed an answer PDQ and so phoned Miele and they said they wouldn't work in the UK so confused. I wondered if they were just covering themselves. Both appliances have a fancy sort of plug, not your standard fitting for the UK but that wouldn't be a big deal to change. Even I can do that:). Not sure what to do as the items finish tonight. I know the person selling the 2 machines has a hefty figure in mind for a buy it now cos I asked what he was looking for them. However, the 2 machines aren't even at £100 yet so wondering if I should take a chance as to buy new these machines would cost a fortune. If by chance the machines won't work as Miele says is there some way of adapting them to work on our voltage?
     
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    Yep, you could get an adapter if nothing else works :)
     
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    220v is the European standard, and therefore should be fitted with a European plug which is round in shape and has two pins at the bottom and a metal earth band over the top middle. To work in the UK, the plug would need to be chopped off and a UK plug fitted.

    Miele are almost certainly covering their back - a 220v product for Europe is designed for voltages from 198v through to 242v. I suppose it is conceivable that if the upper limits of the UK threshold were transmitted to your home that you could over-volt by 16v...... In theory, that should be unlikely, and even if it did I wonder what the impact would be on a washing machine.... I would think that any decent switch mode PSU would cope with that.

    I am out in the car at the minute (sitting in Sainsbury's car park at the minute), but as soon as I get home I will do a bit of digging. Don't suppose you have the model numbers to hand?

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    Oh thanks both for your help with this :star: for both. Yes the model numbers are PW 6065 Plus for the washing machine and PT 7136 plus for the dryer.
     
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    OK - back at a PC now, sorry for the delay.

    Both of those models are Miele Professional units, in the current range, and looking at the spec sheet for the tumble dryer, it suggests to me that it has a variable power supply (most likely some sort of switch that you select with a screwdriver etc);

    Anyway, that is all fluff really.....

    Take a look at this information and in particular the section which is headed 230v or 240v

    "In practice the target voltage in the UK is still 240v, and in France is still 220v, but the upper and lower permitted voltage limits have been changed for both countries so that both now cover the same voltage range. Consequently modern appliances are normally compatible with both British and French mains supplies.

    The supplies have stayed at target voltages of 220v (fr) and 240v (uk) to satisfy the large amount of pre-harmonisation equipment still in use, a percentage of which is not able to work or run safely & reliably on the wrong voltage.

    This means modern 230v appliances will work fine on either UK or FR supplies, but old equipment marked 220v or 240v is not always cross-compatible."


    This harmonisation was brought into being in early 2010, so unless the units are old, and they certainly don't appear to be that old, I would say that there is no reason why they wouldn't work.
     
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    And for a bit of extra comfort, take a look here at someone moving back to the UK from Belgium

    Ignore the nonsense about adaptors - I am working on the assumption that the appliances will come with a plug like this one:

    eu plug.jpg

    In which case, the best thing to do is whip the plug off and fit a UK 13A fused 3-pin plug. God forbid, but if anything were to go horribly wrong, the 13A fuse should pop long before anything ever became a problem. If you are not sure how to fit a 13A plug, I am happy to advise, but it would really be best referred to someone competent to do the job (no offence intended). Happy bidding!
     
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    Thank you so much @fat controller here's the photo of the plug which looks rather odd. Do you think it's ok to go ahead? Certainly from what you have already said it doesn't sound as tho I am likely to blow the house up and YES I do know how to wire a plug!
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    @silu - what is the country of origin?
     
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    Also @silu, can you establish what the mains frequency is?
     
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    Not sure possibly USA @fat controller but that's a guess. Miele is a German company I think but as the machine is being sold from Aberdeen, have a feeling it is being sold on behalf of an American company which is upping sticks and going home! Oh just seen your 2nd post. I can ask but time is getting tight for the items to end. The spin drier has the same plug on it. maybe too good to be true as the 2 machines normally retail at over £5000:yikes:
     
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    I very much doubt that it is USA - their system is 110v (essentially half of the declared 220v), and if I remember correctly their system is 60Hz

    Is the seller contactable?
     
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    From the photo @fat controller it looks like 2 cables are going to the funny plug. I can email the seller but not sure they will get back to me in time, maybe it isn't for me.
     
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