Difference in Nutritional Value Between Horse Manure & Garden Compost?

Discussion in 'Compost, Fertilisers & Recycling' started by shiney, Nov 1, 2015.

  1. shiney

    shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2006
    Messages:
    63,473
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired - Last Century!!!
    Location:
    Herts/Essex border. Zone 8b
    Ratings:
    +123,760
    Sorry, I'm being lazy and not doing any research on this :noidea:

    We have a lot of garden compost, mainly grass and leaves, and can always get horse manure. Does the manure have better nutritional value for veggies and plants?

    It seems to be the case, particularly with our new flower bed, but the major physical difference seems to me to be that the manure has been processed by an eating machine.

    I can get a lot more manure than I currently do (about a ton a year) and, if it's a lot better I shall get more.

    Thanks in advance. :thumbsup:
     
  2. Scrungee

    Scrungee Well known for it

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2010
    Messages:
    16,524
    Location:
    Central England on heavy clay soil
    Ratings:
    +28,997
    I've always understood that horse manure is better than either cow manure (cows have more stomachs [1]) and also better than home made compost. Straw content will make a lot of difference, if it's gathered using a vacuum collection device from field or selectively removed from stables and not then thrown in the same heap as bedding straw it will be much richer.

    [1] think this is the reason for horse manure having more weed seeds in than cow poo.

    That's very little, when my daughter was regularly horse riding, one year I collected about 4,000 ex-compost bags from the stables, and that was pure poo with no/very little straw.
     
  3. Jiffy

    Jiffy The Match is on Fire

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2011
    Messages:
    11,609
    Occupation:
    Pyro
    Location:
    Retired Next To The Bonfire in UK
    Ratings:
    +33,525
    Horse poo has more fibre in it than cow poo, the better fed the horse the better the poo, most of the weed seeds will come from the hay/haylage and some weeds seed from the straw depening on how weed free the corn field is before combining, so if there are some racing stables that will be the best place to get it, but saying that, if the local stables make there own feed and the fields are weed free and they care about what there do then it should be ok
    I think you also have to look for the stables that bed down there horses on sawdust more so than straw

    I think with both compost and horse poo, the beter they're fed the better the poo/compost
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
      Last edited: Nov 1, 2015
    • shiney

      shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

      Joined:
      Jul 3, 2006
      Messages:
      63,473
      Gender:
      Male
      Occupation:
      Retired - Last Century!!!
      Location:
      Herts/Essex border. Zone 8b
      Ratings:
      +123,760
      I'm not bothered about the weed seeds as I can keep those down. There is some straw amongst the poo but I'm guessing that that can't just be the difference in the good quality of the results from where I spread the poo compared to just compost. Does having it go through the horse improve its nutritional value?
       
    • Scrungee

      Scrungee Well known for it

      Joined:
      Dec 5, 2010
      Messages:
      16,524
      Location:
      Central England on heavy clay soil
      Ratings:
      +28,997
      poo npk.png

      Sure I've got at least 2 books somewhere with that info, now where is a guide to NPK in homemade compost?
       
      • Like Like x 1
      • Informative Informative x 1
      • Redwing

        Redwing Wild Gardener

        Joined:
        Mar 22, 2009
        Messages:
        1,589
        Gender:
        Female
        Location:
        Sussex
        Ratings:
        +2,831
        I think both garden compost and horse manure are both very variable. How well was the compost made, eg how many times was it turned, how hot did it get etc? Similar with the horse manure, how much straw was in it, how old is it etc? All good stuff in my opinion but as I say both variable.
         
        • Like Like x 1
        • Scrungee

          Scrungee Well known for it

          Joined:
          Dec 5, 2010
          Messages:
          16,524
          Location:
          Central England on heavy clay soil
          Ratings:
          +28,997
          • Like Like x 1
          • shiney

            shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

            Joined:
            Jul 3, 2006
            Messages:
            63,473
            Gender:
            Male
            Occupation:
            Retired - Last Century!!!
            Location:
            Herts/Essex border. Zone 8b
            Ratings:
            +123,760
            Thanks @Scrungee compost is listed third down on that list and not in the alphabetical list :scratch:

            The rotted down horse poo and my compost look similar in structure - apart from the occasional lump of poo.

            From an empirical point of view the poo has done a lot better than the compost for the flowers in my garden. Not enough evidence, or comparison, for the veggies.
             
          • kindredspirit

            kindredspirit Gardening around a big Puddle. :)

            Joined:
            Nov 21, 2009
            Messages:
            3,711
            Gender:
            Male
            Occupation:
            Retired.
            Location:
            Western Ireland (but in a cold pocket)
            Ratings:
            +4,694
            Without looking at the list, I'd imagine Horse Dung has way more nitrogen in it then Compost. I always thought Dung was for adding nitrogen, etc to soil primarily (but also structure) and Compost was more for adding structure primarily.
            I'd imagine that compost was only trotting after horse dung. :)
             
            • Like Like x 1
            • shiney

              shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

              Joined:
              Jul 3, 2006
              Messages:
              63,473
              Gender:
              Male
              Occupation:
              Retired - Last Century!!!
              Location:
              Herts/Essex border. Zone 8b
              Ratings:
              +123,760
              Thanks, KS :blue thumb:

              So we should avoid digging the manure into the area for the runner beans :ideaIPB:. Beans produce nitrogen and don't need extra. So I guess it can stop the flowers from forming as it promotes leaf growth. It will be much better for the brassicas - which we don't grow :doh:

              All will go on the flower beds instead.
               
            • Scrungee

              Scrungee Well known for it

              Joined:
              Dec 5, 2010
              Messages:
              16,524
              Location:
              Central England on heavy clay soil
              Ratings:
              +28,997
              My understanding is that horse manure isn't best for runners but lots of rotted garden/kitchen waste is.
               
              • Informative Informative x 1
              • shiney

                shiney President, Grumpy Old Men's Club Staff Member

                Joined:
                Jul 3, 2006
                Messages:
                63,473
                Gender:
                Male
                Occupation:
                Retired - Last Century!!!
                Location:
                Herts/Essex border. Zone 8b
                Ratings:
                +123,760
                We put all our kitchen waste on the compost. :blue thumb:
                 
              • ARMANDII

                ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

                Joined:
                Jan 12, 2019
                Messages:
                48,096
                Gender:
                Male
                Ratings:
                +100,844
                I would put Horse Manure above "spent" commercial compost, but not above well made, well rotted garden compost. I don't think any of the three actually add any real level of nutrients but they do add humus and organic particles to the soil thereby improving the soil structure and drainage. Compost also helps neutralise the PH of the soil and also helps soil to hold any nutrients in the soil.
                I've used "tons" of Horse Manure over the years as we have lots of Stables in the area and it's great stuff. But there is one proviso in that the Horses are eating the plants/grass in the fields and so the manure is full of weed seeds etc........and I've got a grand collection of different sized Horse shoes that came with it.:dunno::doh::heehee:
                 
                • Like Like x 2
                  Last edited by a moderator: Nov 2, 2015
                • Scrungee

                  Scrungee Well known for it

                  Joined:
                  Dec 5, 2010
                  Messages:
                  16,524
                  Location:
                  Central England on heavy clay soil
                  Ratings:
                  +28,997
                  Yes, they chuck in all sorts of stuff, including waste from Xmas parties, like pulled crackers and tinsel
                   
                • ARMANDII

                  ARMANDII Low Flying Administrator Staff Member

                  Joined:
                  Jan 12, 2019
                  Messages:
                  48,096
                  Gender:
                  Male
                  Ratings:
                  +100,844
                  Yeah, but with a "dust down" they can be used again.:dunno::whistle::heehee:
                   
                  • Funny Funny x 2
                  Loading...

                  Share This Page

                  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
                    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
                    Dismiss Notice