El nino, weird or what?

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    In the seven or so years that I have had the greenhouse, I have had to close it early in November and bring the plants indoors to avoid freezing. Not this year however, as the plants are still in the greenhouse, and, still actively growing. The olive trees should be dormant by now, but they are still putting out lush green growth. The forecast for this week is for above normal temperatures, and this morning I read on weather.com that the forecast for three weeks ahead calls for the temperatures to remain above normal. In previous years the olives have flowered in late January, but I have no clue as to what will happen this year. I open the doors and vents on sunny days to keep the temperature down, so that the plants can get their chill cycle. If it were not for the plants, I would close the vents, and sit in my lawn chair and enjoy the warmth and sunshine. Well, whatever the reason, I am not complaining, as each day passes it is one less day of winter.

    It was necessary to mow the lawn today, the first time in my life that I had to mow the lawn in December. And, we have a flock of robins in the yard; they should have flown south weeks ago.

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    • JWK

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      It's been very mild over here too Hydro, we did have a couple of frosts in November apart from that it's been unseasonably warm.
       
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        Yes, it was 60F here yesterday!
         
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        I haven't turned our heating on yet, but that's because I'm mean and nothing to do with El Nino.
         
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          I'm not quite so sophisticated in the 'mean' department, but keep practicing. :heehee:

          I'm not mean about heating or food :noidea: :old:. Our heating is never turned off. :smile:
           
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            Daffodils are out here this week, never seen them that early before.
             
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              "2015 likely to be the warmest on record
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              This year’s global average surface temperature is likely to be the warmest on record according to data from the Met Office, and is expected to continue the trend showing 15 of the top 16 warmest years have happened since 2001.

              These findings concur with the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) findings also announced today.

              2015 a more ‘clear-cut’ record

              Provisional figures up to the end of October show this year’s near-surface global temperature as estimated from the HadCRUT dataset has been around 0.71 ±0.1 °C above the 1961-1990 average of 14.0 °C.

              This is in-line with the Met Office’s forecast, issued in December 2014, which predicted 2015 global temperatures would be between 0.52 °C and 0.76 °C* above the 1961-1990 average, with a central estimate of 0.64 °C.

              In HadCRUT, this year is clearly warmer than 2014, the previous nominal warmest year in the record, which was 0.57 ±0.1 °C above the 1961-1990 average.

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              Colin Morice, a climate monitoring scientist at the Met Office, said: “Last year was nominally the warmest year in our records but wasn’t much higher than the other top warmest years. This year the temperature is markedly warmer than anything we’ve previously seen in the 166-year record, meaning its position at the top of the rankings looks set to be much more clear cut.”



              The HadCRUT dataset, jointly compiled by the Met Office and Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, uses data from more than 6, 000 observation sites around the world and observations from ships and buoys at sea. It is recognised as one of the world’s leading indices of global temperature.

              Temperatures 1 °C above ‘pre-industrial’ for first time

              2015 is set to mark the first time in the record that annual global temperatures reach 1 °C above ‘pre-industrial’ temperatures (taken here as an average of the 1850-1900 period*).

              This is important because governments around the world have agreed the aim of trying to limit warming to 2 °C or less above pre-industrial to try to avoid the most dangerous impacts of climate change.

              Leading independently-run datasets agree

              Findings from HadCRUT are very similar to independently-run global temperature datasets compiled by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA Goddard Institute of Space Studies.

              Information from all three datasets is included in an announcement from the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) on global temperature, which also concludes this year is likely to be the warmest on record.

              Where did 2015’s warmth come from?

              This year has seen a strong El Niño develop, with unusually warm sea surface temperatures across the Tropical Pacific, releasing heat into the atmosphere and pushing up global temperatures.

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              While this has contributed to 2015’s warmth, this is likely to be comparatively small compared to the long-term influence of warming caused by human greenhouse gas emissions.

              This is backed up by research from the Met Office last year which showed global temperatures seen in recent years would be highly unlikely in a world without human influence on the climate.

              What’s in store for the year ahead?

              Last year saw record or near record warmth globally, this year is warmer still and the current expectation is that next year will also be warm.

              This is due to two factors: firstly, the ongoing warming due to human influence, and secondly although the current El Niño is expected to peak around the end of this year, its main warming influence is usually felt in the months afterwards. For example, a strong El Niño peaked at the end of 1997 – but it was 1998 which went on to become a record (at the time) by some margin.

              There are other natural factors – such as changes in longer term ocean cycles or volcanic eruptions – which could act to reduce global temperatures next year, so there will always be some uncertainty.

              The Met Office will give more detail in the expected global temperature for 2016 when it publishes its forecast in the latter part of December.



              * While late 19th century temperatures are commonly taken to be indicative of pre-industrial, there is no fixed period that is used as standard and a variety of other periods have been used for observational and palaeo datasets. There are limitations in available data in the early instrumental record, making the average temperature in the reference period less certain. There is not a reliable indicator of global temperatures back to 1750, which is the era widely assumed to represent pre-industrial conditions. Therefore 1850-1900 is chosen here as the most reliable reference period, which also corresponds to the period chosen by IPCC to represent a suitable earlier reference period."
               
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                It will heat up more when we empty a bucket of Sunshine on Daesh

                The UK will be able to grow bananas and Pommegranates and put all the tanning shops out of business

                Nah the world has cycled hot and cold for millions of years, just this time we are the substitutes for the Dinasoars

                Jack McH
                 
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                  Just wait till the frozen gas hydrates around the world start to melt and release their deadly gas.
                  We will be growing mangos, dates andpalm oil in Scotland then.Every cloud silver lining and all that?
                   
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                    The olive trees were brought in from the greenhouse on the first of January and placed in grow tents. In less than a month they are forming flower buds, and lots of them. Trees that have never flowered before are forming buds this year. That said, our weather has turned cold, -5C today and probably for the next two weeks.

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                      It's been on the news over here how bad the conditions are over there because of the snow blizzard. Stay safe :blue thumb:
                       
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                        This storm missed us by about 30 miles. The folks down south have trouble dealing with large storms, however, they are routine where we are. We just deal with them with hardly a ripple.
                         
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                          Holy moly, I did some work for a heritage house there.... it is a small world...
                           
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                            Our weather forecast well into the middle of next week is for mild temperatures, with the night temperatures above freezing. Today I placed a number of plants back into the greenhouse for as long as the weather permits. The greenhouse was only closed on the first of January, and here in early March I have been able to use it again; for upstate New York I find this astounding. Last year at this time we had several feet of snow on the ground, which remained until mid April. As a few overcast days can be expected, I added some temporary LED grow lights as supplemental lighting.

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