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  1. wiseowl

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    I'll second that:mad:
     
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      Let's face it, having increased security in the form of armed Officers either of the Police or Armed Forces will reassure some some people. But in the face of a Suicide Bomber who doesn't, in his madness and hate, care about dying then there is no real defence against them blowing themselves up in a million different soft targets. We can't cover every area with security. Also, this idiot who slaughtered so many people in hate was a "home grown" Terrorist and we need to get them before they can do any harm.
      I served for 22 years in the Armed Forces and several years of that was in the Near East and Middle East and just like in the UK there are the same mix of good people and the tiny majority of extremists. In the extreme, if we were to use Nuclear weapons in an attempt to wipe out the extremist all we would do is slaughter innocent children, women and men just as a mad idiot did in Manchester last night........and another evil ideology would rear it's head and very probably the old one would survive and flourish on the act of us using Nuclear weapons.
       
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      It is a sad, sad day.....when I see 'that look' in a person's eye when I reply to their question ' that's an unusual surname, where is your husband from? '. Yes he is a Muslim and he,his family and friends are absolutely against all that is going on and find it all utterly deplorable as we all do.
       
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        In addition to my last post may I just say......the fear I have for my 3 sons....young men.....20/30 yrs old.......with THAT surname...living in London. Please let them carry on with living their lives as the good ,kind beings they have been brought up to be, don't tar everybody with the same brush.
         
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          It's not all that long ago, Upsdaisy, when anyone with a Irish name was looked on with suspicion. Most people are able to get past names and the implications of them, and some are not. London is such a diverse City and your sons have, no doubt, met all kinds of people, those that are open minded and those ignorant and biased people who are arrogant enough to think they are superior...when they're definitely not.
           
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            @Upsydaisy - I live on the outskirts of London, and work in London, and thankfully the majority here have sufficient sense to know that this is nothing to do with someone's surname or where their parents come from.

            Sadly, throughout the country, there are those - we would have called them 'skinheads' back in the day - who will show hatred to those who fit a certain stereotype. As far as I am concerned, they do this because of a lack of education/knowledge/intelligence and it is up to the rest of us to try and show them otherwise, but they also do it out of fear - pure fear. They perceive that 'their' country is under attack by people of a certain type, and they want to retaliate because 'somebody has to do it' - - and this is another reason why, in my opinion, decisive action MUST now be taken to resolve this issue.

            You and your family should NEVER have to worry just because of your surname - but sadly, recent events have led us all to the position where you feel concerned about it, and that is very, very sad. I am in no position to speak for others, but I have a feeling that I am not alone when I say that I would defend you and your family just as I would defend anyone and their family - - and I would do so not because of your surname, not because you are from Hampshire, not because you may be rich or poor, but because you are human beings the same as I am - end of.

            I sincerely hope that all of our families can continue in life, in peace, regardless of where we are in the country, but I also feel that something fairly significant has to happen to allow us to get to that state.
             
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              Very true @ARMANDII and as far as I am aware they have never had to explain the origin of their surname....but as a parents that doesn't ease our fear of someone succumbing to their wrongly perceived suspicions and ......well I don't want to go there.
               
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                @fat controller ....you have brought tears to my eyes.....thank you for such a kind and sincere post. It means a lot to me , may our 'boys' be surrounded by people like you throughout their lives.
                 
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                  We've poked a hornet nest with a stick, when we sure have taken it out straght away
                   
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                    This is just so so so sad, I have actually cried three times over this :sad:, I cannot possibly understand why another human would do this, why would you blow yourself up? Why would you kill others? What does that actually prove? How could you go out to purposely kill other people? There are so many questions....obviously these people are radicalised & brain washed, but no amount of brainwashing would make to do such a terrible act.

                    One of my friends sons was caught up in this, thankfully he was not hurt but is suffering terribly from shock, my friend & his wife are in bits, the what ifs & maybes are haunting them, the knock on effect is just awful.

                    Just imagine how frightening this would have been, imagine standing outside the arena waiting to fetch your child & hearing the bang, the screaming, seeing the terror, how will these innocent people get over this? Imagine being in there with your children, imagine loosing them & not knowing if they are ok, It's all just awful, so sad & so very wrong.

                    On a positive note (it's always important in every situation to find a positive) I just want to say.....I'm very proud, proud to be British, proud of how people are coming together to support each other & help each other. Proud that our NHS is so wonderful, proud because off duty doctors, nurses & surgeons rushed into work to support their collegues & helped the injured. Proud that the average man on the street opened his/her doors to the frightened & injured, the hotels who took people in & gave them a bed for the night & didn't charge not forgetting the taxi drivers who gave people free taxi's home....this is what makes Great Britain so great, these b@st@rds won't win.....end of rant! :wallbanging:
                     
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                      I don't normally comment on atrocities but this is as bad as I have ever seen.
                      I was emotional when I heard as most people were.
                      It is kind of ironical that there may have been Muslims killed or friends of Muslims at this event.
                      There we're certainly Muslim doctors ,nurses and police involved in lifesaving and attending the the injured.
                      Muslims have already raised thousands of pounds to help .
                      You may say what has that got to do with anything ,well I think it does I feel for those innocents and people like the lovely Muslim girl who served us with curtains at John Lewis at the weekend ,she has to live with this constant stareing and pointing.
                      We do live in a troubled world.
                      As regards carry on as normal ,well I am ,but I haven't lost a family member.:grphg:
                       
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                        @roders I too feel for the innocent muslims & I hate the fact that some of them will now live in fear, I'm hopeful that the majority of people here in the U.K. No matter what religious beliefs they do or don't have will have enough sense to know that the majority of muslims just want to live a quiet life as many of us do, there will of course be a small amount of idiots who will cause trouble....under the circumstances I hope the police will come down on those few like a ton of bricks!
                         
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                          One thing is for certain, if we DON`t carry on as normal, then the sick b******* have won.
                           
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                            Looking at what is actually happening now then, suggests to me the sickos have won.
                            Nothing is looking normal to me, even the news programmes have only one topic, wonderful publicity for ISIS or anyone thinking of joining.

                            I still say the one thing everyone misses is the fact that everyone, of this lot, is known to the security services.
                            Presumably they can't touch them until they do something illegal?

                            So we can now put this one in prison?

                            Oh no, we cant as he is in lots of little bits and he has taken a lot of others with him, but we thought he might do something like this.

                            What the hell is the point of intelligence if you dont act on it until it's too late.

                            Everyone know to the security services should be either locked up or deported.
                             
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                              This has only further strengthened the bond between the various communities and made us more resolute to defeat terrorism.

                              I think our intelligence services overall do a good job - I'm sure they've prevented far more threats than are reported in the media.

                              You can't lock someone up for holding a particular belief - we simply don't have enough intelligence people to keep a 24 hour tag on every 'suspect'.

                              I'm not particularly comfortable with armed police or the involvement of our military - but sadly, needs must.
                               
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