It may be a cut'n'paste longk but it is worrying to see it in print. That was my reason for posting it. And no I didn't check to confirm as it was sent to me by a reliable source - who obviously had not checked it all either. ****** and re your post Freddy, like you, I dunno what to say - that is so tragic!
Anthony, TATA doesn't just own Factories in Cheshire and are solely closing down sites in that County, they're selling off their sites throughout the UK So they have sites in the North West, North Wales, the East Midlands, West Midlands [not just the Car Plant], and North East England. While the Car Plant might be, to you, the life blood of your surrounding area, it is only a tiny part of what TATA owns as they have tried to cover most spectrums of industry. That is a bit of a insular view, if you'll forgive me for saying so, as there will be thousands of jobs lost throughout which will affect our national finances. Also, there is a fact/thought to take into account that having only one main employer as the "lifeblood" in your area is not a strength but a weakness, ask many towns who crashed when their main employer went elsewhere. I'm not suggesting that the Car Plant is in any danger of doing so, but there has been, over the years, several owners of it. My point being nothing is permanent and Port Talbot etc are examples of failed so called permanency. So we should all beware of only one source of financial life blood in our areas. I don't think I ever said that either directly or indirectly, Anthony. I do care about all UK jobs and have never intimated otherwise and I also believe in the UK ability to thrive and develop it's industries due to it's own independent abilities, I don't think you can have greater faith in your country than that. If you believe I have "twisted and misquoted" you then I apologise for making you think that as that was not my intention.
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound as if I was having a pop at you personally - I apologise for that. My poorly made point was that there is all sort of bull popping up and being spoken about this issue. Make it sound dramatic enough and people buy it. Sorting the wheat from the chaff takes a lot of doing. And worse still figures get bent, twisted of just plain invented. Apart from the sum that we actually pay (less rebate and grants, aid and funding coming back) all other figures are pure conjecture on both sides.
Apparently a lot of people are worried about the prospect of Turkey joining the eu. So I did some reading. I found this. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/57556aa2-1e9a-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.html#axzz4BsNI3nIl It basically says it won't happen.
Turkey joining the EU is a bit like hard work. It never killed anybody, but why take the risk. And I find it strange that something as simple as another country joining the EU can be so unsettling, if the EU was run as a trading area, rather than a form of cheap labour for the richer countries, it wouldn't really matter, to anyone, who joined. Its because of the sad fact that the EU wants to run every country that belongs, and dictates how they run and organise their own affairs, that makes the whole set up unpalatable. If it was reformable, I'd definitely vote to stay in, but I dont think it is, or ever will be.
With all due respect, that has got to be among the least convincing arguments I've ever heard. That's right up there with Donald Trumps argument that all Muslims should be banned from entering America, just in case. We have a nuclear arsenal here in Britain. Probably China or Russia will give us no bother. But why take the risk?
Well actually Clue, it was you that made the accusation that if Turkey are not allowed to join everything will be OK, or maybe I read it wrong? I was pointing out that there shouldn't be any problems regarding any country joining the EU, if it was actually run properly. Which it aint.
OK, so its ok for us to stay then??????????? Just that one factor is a good reason to stay? Personally I dont care if Turkey join or not. What I would not want is everyone in Turkey having the right to travel around Europe and live in any country within the EU that they want, same with any country within the EU, not just Turkey.
We all have our opinions. None alone is best. That's why we all get to vote. It might be better to leave. It might be better to stay. Hopefully the combined wisdom of all of us will be enough to choose the best option.
Still thinking of voting remain? Have a look at this article in the Telegraph: Petrol, electricity and airfares could be taxed under radical proposals being considered by Brussels Can't do a link as I've used up all my 'free' articles for this week. The meeting was 'postponed' until after the referendum...Brussels can impose taxes on the UK and there's nothing we can do about it.
That's in response to the refugee crisis, and the costs associated with dealing with it. Now, if for now we overlook the fact that everyone is saying that taxes will go up if we leave, we must ask ourselves this. What sort of people would we be if we abandoned Europe just because we've hit a blip. What sort of people would we be our decision was largely based on wanting to hold our hands up and saying 'not my problem mate'. In the lead up to ww2, when Germany invaded Poland, what might have happened if we'd said 'not my problem '.
a problem that I can foresee in case of a brexit is that the "not my problem" attitude will be reciprocated and privileges will be denied to the UK. But then, to what extent...I have no idea.
But, and it is a but, only a couple of weeks ago the remain camp was telling us these things would happen if we left. As to Poland, its well known that they helped "us" during WW2. so we should be grateful. If my taxes are likely to rise due to the fact that Merkel has thrown the doors open to every one , and anyone, who likes to descend on Europe, then that is another good reason to get out. Most of those entering Europe are not refugees, they are economic migrants.
