Power of Attorney to do or not to do?

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    "Only the good die young
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      Over here in the USA there are 3 animals in this subject area. The first is called POA, and it simply means someone is assigned to step up and make medical decisions when someone cannot. This can just be done between people, and does not involve a lawyer. The second one is called Durable POA, what that means is someone is assigned to step up to make medical decisions AND financial decisions when a person cannot do this. This one has to have a lawyer involved and a notary, it is several pages long. The person it covers has to be mentally sound to sign it. Then there is the third animal, called guardianship, this is when the person to be helped has become or is so mentally profound poor that psychiatrist has to deem them incompetent that it takes a court order to obtain.

      There is also another one called an Advance Directive, where the person themselves just completes a standard form, of his/her medical wishes should they wind up in dire physical need.

      In general, when I discuss the first two to families, I tell them, that it is papers that should sit on the shelf, get dusty, and not be taken down by the assigned person until it is necessary. Some people, I fear, who are the assigned folks may get their ego going before its time.

      Also, not sure how, your governments look at payments toward a nursing home situation, but in some cases children do change titles of homes of their parents so to protect the house from being sold .
       
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        A very touchy subject here. If the title is changed to avoid contributions to State caring costs (or to avoid death duties) you can be in trouble. If the caring is self-funded then it doesn't matter but changing title is normally covered by the wording of a will.
         
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        My husband was appointed for both of his parents, by his parents to be the executor of their trust and support their wishes medically. He is one of 4 siblings. Parents are now gone. The last being his father. There is a rift between him and his sister, which I understand she will not move on from, thus no interaction from her will ever be anymore. And because I am his wife I am clumped into that behavior. Knowing all his siblings, I can see how my husband was the reasonable selection for the parents. He really did a good job. It is a shame his work was not appreciated by his siblings. There is a lot to do to tie up someones life, taxes, selling house, cleaning out stuff etc. He says it was 8 years of his life. Which is true, as his dad was in and out of hospital, nursing home, etc.
         
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          It is hard to do that here also, has to be done timely, so that the switch does not seem like its planned. When I was the Marketing Director/Admission Director in a local nursing home. I would get some really wealthy folks to admit. One of them, owed tons of acres in an upscale county area. The rules then was 3 years to pay privately then the assets are clear. What the kids did was move the titles of the acres to their name and pay the 3 years private. All of this was done with a lawyer however. Since then, the government is looking back 5 years now for title transfers. I recall another story, of a grandmother, she was already admitted under private pay. But she would help pay for the books for college for her grandson. The government got wind of that and put that against her.
          However, I have interacted with some sons, who try to hide stuff, and unfortunately my government source was good she would find it.
           
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            Well, there are circumstances where you can sign over your House to your children as an outright gift. You would need to do it at least 7 years before your unfortunate demise, and you would have to pay rent to your children , to stop local Authorities questioning the legality of the gifting, and they would have to pay income tax on the rent. Living in the House after gifting the House will classify as being a "gift with reservation of benefit". That would take the House value out of your estate and reduce any tax being paid. Some authorities may still deem the transfer as a deliberate deprivation of assets to avoid care home costs. But the information I have is that such action by local authorities could generate such Court costs that they would have to think carefully and assess if the return would be worth it.:coffee::dunno::snorky:
             
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              Another problem to your NOK is if you give them your home, then they have to change their current mortgage to a second home, so the interest goes up etc
              I must admit, I trust trust trust my two daughters very much so passed my home to them, with a lawyers note that I could live in it to the end of my days
              IF you have the slightest doubt, then within a week you could be homeless and your house sold under you
              If your child has ten kids to different dads and on partner number 12 then it would not be a good idea
              Scotland has different laws, for the good, a close person to us did this, and then the youngest daughter died, her partner began to sue for his half of the remaining property, He did not succeed
               
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                Agreed :dbgrtmb: In England (don't know about Scotland) if the gift was done to take it out of Inheritance Tax (IHT), and rent is paid and taxed, then the seven year rule applies but if death occurs before seven years IHT is assessed on a non-incremental sliding scale.
                 
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                  I don't know what is going to become of us,as we have no children(not through choice) and although I have older siblings none of them are interested in us as we haven't got children/grandchildren to talk about with them so we have been forgotten about as I think some of them are pretty worried that they might have to arrange a funeral for me and possibly clear out a house and they have enough on their plates what with running around after their married kids and grandchildren without me adding to their stressful lives:snorky:

                  We have been discussing leaving everything to charity possibly the RNLI,Mountain Rescue etc,and Mr Kandy is finally coming round to the idea of getting a will
                  done but as usual he talks about it but that is as far as it goes.:sad:

                  Mr Kandys sister can't be trusted as she will come into our house and will take everything she can get her hands on although she will maintain that she has taken items to look after them.:sad:

                  It is such a predicament I really don't know how we can resolve it and I feel that time is running out as we are no longer spring chickens:snorky:
                   
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                    If you have no one to leave things too and your will is that you have left every thing to OH and same for your OH you may need too make sure that there is a 3rd person in both wills ie charity because if anything happens to you both at the same time your Estate will go to the next of kin
                     
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                      Well, it is better if a trusted person can be found to be the Executive of a Will as somebody will be needed to supervise and decide on the instructions in the Will............but I would never, ever, give Executive powers to a Lawyer of any description.:nonofinger::coffee:
                       
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                        The Will shall have to be deposited with someone who is likely to know that you have died. Although you should get a solicitor to draw up the Will, and they should retain a copy, you need to take precautions and give a copy to someone you know and trust. Or deposit it in the bank and tell someone you trust that it's there.

                        The solicitor should be able to advise you of how the Will should be written to exclude your siblings if you want to. This doesn't stop them from contesting the Will but it makes it much harder for them to do anything about it.

                        Remember, if you just leave everything to each other then the one who goes first won't get a say in what happens to the money when the spouse passes on. Unless you have a form of trust written in to the Will.
                         
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                          OK we are going ahead it seems the right thing to do.
                          It's handy that I have a friend/solicitor who's garden I look after so the cost will be minimal.
                          Thanks for all the input.
                           
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